No, you questioned the assertion that doing the ME Comm first results in more ME time. I showed you that was true and you still seem to want to argue it.
What, an extra 2-4 hours?
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No, you questioned the assertion that doing the ME Comm first results in more ME time. I showed you that was true and you still seem to want to argue it.
Depends on the pilot. Probably more like 5 which if you continue on for CFI/MEI can make a big difference in cost/time for training.What, an extra 2-4 hours?Like I said, you can combine the Commercial specific training and XC.
Commercial maneuvers aren't done in MEL, regardless of the order.
If you didn't need to flight instruct, you could even go all the way to ATP without ever doing one.No kidding?? I could be SE Private, ME Commercial, and never do a chandele ?
Damn!!! If I only knew!!
It is a safety thing.
The main reason you don't do the performance maneuvers in the ME is that those maneuvers take you below VYSE and occasionally below VMC while carrying a fair amount of power. It would be bad if you lost an engine in the middle of a chandelle or lazy 8.
If you didn't need to flight instruct, you could even go all the way to ATP without ever doing one.
So does it or doesn't it matter if you get your ME Private? I would think it would just for the basis of PIC time. And what do you end up doing on the check ride for CSEL if it is an add on.
If you didn't need to flight instruct, you could even go all the way to ATP without ever doing one.
Of course you do, but Kritchlow's comment was that if you were going to fly for the airlines and had no need for a Comm ASEL, you could go all the way without ever doing the maneuvers.Pretty sure you need to do them for the SE Commercial add-on, but I guess if you don't want an SE commercial, you could...
Yes, it you have the opportunity to build more PIC time (all the Comm MEL training can be logged as PIC) and for me, it made me much more at ease when I went to the Comm checkride.So does it or doesn't it matter if you get your ME Private? I would think it would just for the basis of PIC time. And what do you end up doing on the check ride for CSEL if it is an add on.
I believe the requirements are different now from when I did mine back in the 80's..
That said, I can't see paying twin prices to practice lazy 8's.
If one does their CPL ME first, and there are no commercial maneuvers, what does the check ride consist of??
If one does their CPL ME first, and there are no commercial maneuvers, what does the check ride consist of??
Stuff like a XC plan, pilotage, and a whole bunch of OEI stuff (ie VMC demo, feather/secure/restart, spot landing,OEI instrument approach, etc.
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So basically the same as my add-on almost 30 years ago... Maybe some extra xc planning.The the xc planning, a lot of take offs and landings, and a lot of single engine work. And 1 single engine approach if you have an ifr airplane rating.
It just seems odd that one can have a CPL ME, then bust a SE CPL because they screw up a chandelle.
It's odd to me. YMMV.Why is this odd? You could be an ATP and in theory flunk a private sel, ses or glider ride...
You're supposed to consistently pass the pts standards for every rating, the commercial maneuvers really do allow the dpe to determine your airmanship...
So basically the same as my add-on almost 30 years ago... Maybe some extra xc planning.
It sounds more like a standard ME check ride.
It is, however the oral is obviously longer than a typical ME checkride because you have to cover all the basic Commerical Pilot knowledge stuff in addition to the ME systems.So basically the same as my add-on almost 30 years ago... Maybe some extra xc planning.
It sounds more like a standard ME check ride.