Woman arrested - "I'm a Free Inhabitant!"

Where one is born, one becomes a citizen of that country or region.
 
You don't have to agree. The law is not a contract. Enacted law applies to all. Not having a license doesn't get you out of the traffic laws,,
 
flyingron said:
You don't have to agree. The law is not a contract. Enacted law applies to all. Not having a license doesn't get you out of the traffic laws,,
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I still don't see how it applies. I did not willingly come here. I could see if I wanted to become a citizen of Andorra, and willingly emigrated there, and upon signing the paperwork for my citizenship I agreed to obey all the laws. But I, nor anyone born here was ever given the option.
 
EdFred said:
I still don't see how it applies. I did not willingly come here. I could see if I wanted to become a citizen of Andorra, and willingly emigrated there, and upon signing the paperwork for my citizenship I agreed to obey all the laws. But I, nor anyone born here was ever given the option.
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If only it worked that way.

I would really like to be free of the law of gravity. I sure didn't consent to that when I was born.

FWIW, minors never consent to anything. It's all imposed.
 
MAKG1 said:
If only it worked that way.

I would really like to be free of the law of gravity. I sure didn't consent to that when I was born.

FWIW, minors never consent to anything. It's all imposed.
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When I turned 18 I didn't sign anything though either. Laws of man are easily changed - and completely arbitrary - laws of physics not so much.
 
EdFred said:
When I turned 18 I didn't sign anything though either. Laws of man are easily changed - and completely arbitrary - laws of physics not so much.
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Well, you were required to register for selective service, and you may have registered to vote. Both of those require your signature. You certainly didn't leave, so that's tacit agreement.

There are places where laws are considered optional. They aren't very pleasant places. What you're looking for is the "social contract."
 
MAKG1 said:
Well, you were required to register for selective service, and you may have registered to vote. Both of those require your signature. You certainly didn't leave, so that's tacit agreement.

There are places where laws are considered optional. They aren't very pleasant places. What you're looking for is the "social contract."
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And where does one agree to the social contract? Or dissent?
 
MAKG1 said:
Well, you were required to register for selective service, and you may have registered to vote. Both of those require your signature. You certainly didn't leave, so that's tacit agreement.

There are places where laws are considered optional. They aren't very pleasant places. What you're looking for is the "social contract."
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Way to bring Rousseau into a pilots forum. :yes:

Let us then admit that force does not create right, and that we are obliged to obey only legitimate powers

-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
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MAKG1 said:
On a one way flight overseas.

Like it or not, complete freedom is a very, very bad idea.
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Depends where you are on the food chain and how close you are to other people. Pretty sure if we had 100% freedom, small groups would form with written contracts in place needed in order to join said group.

And if you didn't want to join, you wouldn't have to.
 
EdFred said:
Depends where you are on the food chain and how close you are to other people. Pretty sure if we had 100% freedom, small groups would form with written contracts in place needed in order to join said group.

And if you didn't want to join, you wouldn't have to.
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And what keeps those "small groups" from raiding other small groups? Or other groups imposing their "written contract" on others because they don't like them ****ing in the well water? Hey, complete freedom means I can take a dump in your sink. What are you going to do about it? Threaten me with violence? Then you're imposing your contract on me, and I don't agree to it.

This has been tried before. In places like Somalia. It doesn't just not work, it's thoroughly terrible.

Sorry, the Libertarian ideal does not work. It has no mechanism for dealing with those that would spoil it for everyone.
 
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EdFred said:
Depends where you are on the food chain and how close you are to other people. Pretty sure if we had 100% freedom, small groups would form with written contracts in place needed in order to join said group.

And if you didn't want to join, you wouldn't have to.
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So what happens when a group like ISIS forms, holds a gun to your head, and forces you to sign a contract or they kill your family?
 
JB1842 said:
So what happens when a group like ISIS forms, holds a gun to your head, and forces you to sign a contract or they kill your family?
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Let em shoot me. I have no fear of death, and I have no wife and kids.
 
MAKG1 said:
And what keeps those "small groups" from raiding other small groups? Or other groups imposing their "written contract" on others because they don't like them ****ing in the well water? Hey, complete freedom means I can take a dump in your sink. What are you going to do about it? Threaten me with violence? Then you're imposing your contract on me, and I don't agree to it.

This has been tried before. In places like Somalia. It doesn't just not work, it's thoroughly terrible.

Sorry, the Libertarian ideal does not work. It has no mechanism for dealing with those that would spoil it for everyone.
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You'd be dead before your pants got pulled up. Then I'd let the dog rape you.

Oh, there's a mechanism, it's just having the balls to follow through with it. And with the apathy in this country, and the expectation of government to wipe everyone's ass - 85% of the population wouldn't go through with it.
 
EdFred said:
You'd be dead before your pants got pulled up. Then I'd let the dog rape you.

Oh, there's a mechanism, it's just having the balls to follow through with it. And with the apathy in this country, and the expectation of government to wipe everyone's ass - 85% of the population wouldn't go through with it.
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OK, got it.

Might makes right.

You've gone full circle….
 
MAKG1 said:
OK, got it.

Might makes right.

You've gone full circle….
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If you want to invade someone else's home, be prepared for the consequences. Stay away, no issue.
 
There are a lot of folks that have success with the citizen checkpoints. Some of them get tazed and a bit of an ass beating. Others roll on through by refusing to answer any question or pull over into the secondary inspection area, often times by just not saying a word.

Personally, I don't have the time to end up in jail fighting these sort of fights but to each their own and I don't mind that people push back on these sort of things.

One of the slightly entertaining ones:
 
EdFred said:
If you want to invade someone else's home, be prepared for the consequences. Stay away, no issue.
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And, if you are enough of a bad ass and/or can organize a sufficient number of like minded bad asses, you can hand the King his ass in a hand-basket and set up your own government.

That's the way it works. Just ask George Washington.
 
MAKG1 said:
That's a social contract.

Where did I sign that?
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When you CHOSE to enter MY property. I didn't choose to be born in the US. There's a bit of a difference.
 
EdFred said:
When someone is born they don't sign anything stating they will obey all the laws of the country or state. Why are they bound by something they never agreed to?
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You saw the video right? Clearly the people with guns say you have to obey and the people that authorize them back them up. No signature or agreement required.

If this hard fact is repugnant to you, here are the options-

  • Work to try to make the laws more to your liking.
  • Live in a place so remote and isolated, that laws are moot. It's only you.
  • Leave the country and try to find a more liberal country without laws.
  • Get a gun and stand your ground. Good luck with that.
 
No way I could be a cop. I would have shot her.
 
1600vw said:
Where one is born, one becomes a citizen of that country or region.
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Not necessarily. Children born to foreign diplomats in the US while in the US are not citizens of the US. Being diplomatic family, they were not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the US that the 14th amendment requires for jus soli citizenship. (that would also apply to foreign soldiers giving birth in an invasion of the US)

India and Malta don't have jus soli

Australia, UK, and a whole slew of countries have restrictions like "one parent must be a citizen".

--Carlos V.
 
jesse said:
There are a lot of folks that have success with the citizen checkpoints.
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My Aunt used to travel from work to her parent's place down in the tip of Texas on a regular basis long ago. On the way back crossing the Falfurrias checkpoint, the following was a regular exchange:

CBP: Are you a US citizen?
Aunt: Yes.
CBP: Where are you going?
Aunt: I work for an immigration attorney
CBP: Have a nice day.


--Carlos V.
 
Instead of anarchy why not just a system that lets people make their own choices in life instead of taking 1/3 of their income to nanny them.

You know, something like we had before WWI except with less racism, sexism, and religion based morality laws.

Then maybe we would have laws, politicians, etc worthy of respect. Just a thought.
 
EdFred said:
And where does one agree to the social contract? Or dissent?
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The social contract is a philosophical construct to explain a theory of governance. But if it helps you, think of it as an implied contract. The vast majority of contracts we enter into in our lives are implied contracts.
 
EdFred said:
When you CHOSE to enter MY property. I didn't choose to be born in the US. There's a bit of a difference.
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How dare you claim ownership of this land! The Earth belongs to us all!

-Or are you going to impose your will on others?
 
cowman said:
Instead of anarchy why not just a system that lets people make their own choices in life instead of taking 1/3 of their income to nanny them.

You know, something like we had before WWI except with less racism, sexism, and religion based morality laws.

Then maybe we would have laws, politicians, etc worthy of respect. Just a thought.
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Maybe because most of us like all the cool crap we have built like highways and airports and power grids. Also a tremendous amount of people were ruined after the crash of '29, so they kinda like the idea of the government helping people in times of need.

The hardest thing today seems to get conservatives to see the progressive's point of view and a progressive that can see the conservative's point of view. It really seems the competitive nature of America has divided these into two groups that must compete to be champions and never work together. Like a really big play off.

It's really sad actually that we have divided so far. In the past, the left and right were much closer and so could compromise and get things done. Now... pretty much detente.

See, the thing is, if the conservatives could see that the government does do good things and it does help people and if we could just get the progressive's to understand that there are limits to what the government can do and the amount it can spend, we could actually get things done... just like the old days.
 
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