Airbus A320 Down

AKBill said:
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God bless the people who have to clean up that mess:yikes::sad::sad:...

Looks like a motor in the lower center of the pic.:dunno:..

And to add a little levity to a very sad deal........ That might not buff out...:no:...:redface:
 
Clark1961 said:
you want it to maybe be: Gott ist groß
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Gott is gut is the German phrase, but I suspect very little conversation outside of a bit of confused talk at first starting with the phrase, "Was macht es jetzt?"
 
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Appears to be post-impact fire, or at least some kind of fire sort of eliminating a lack of fuel. That was a horrible impact.
 
docmirror said:
Appears to be post-impact fire, or at least some kind of fire sort of eliminating a lack of fuel. That was a horrible impact.
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Almost 400 kts into the side of a mountain.
 
docmirror said:
With that kind of energy, it might be a test of the FDR and CVR. I know those things are tough, but we'll see if they are that tough. I presume they are near the tail, so some of the energy will be dissipated by the time it comes to the mountain, so that helps but gosh, that was a Big Bang.
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From the looks of the wreckage, if they took that, they'll take anything.
 
Looks like the Airbus equivalent of the P51 Reno crash in 2011. Full speed into the ground.
 
Henning said:
That would mean the boxes in the tail took around 130 g right? Figure they had 120 some feet to decelerate in. They may have made it.
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I was just doing my back of the envelope math and came up with around 110G. But I guessed on a few numbers. That's assuming a straight on angle, and that doesn't look like a bad guess.

According to Wiki, they are supposed to survive 3400 G for 6.5msec:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_recorder

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Currently, EUROCAE specifies that a recorder must be able to withstand an acceleration of 3400 g (33 km/s²) for 6.5 milliseconds. This is roughly equivalent to an impact velocity of 270 knots (310 mph) and a deceleration or crushing distance of 450 cm. Additionally, there are requirements for penetration resistance, static crush, high and low temperature fires, deep sea pressure, sea water immersion, and fluid immersion.
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Matthew said:
I was just doing my back of the envelope math and came up with around 110G. But I guessed on a few numbers. That's assuming a straight on angle, and that doesn't look like a bad guess.

According to Wiki, they are supposed to survive 3400 G:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_recorder
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Yeah, you may be closer, I was fudging for it in my head, and my math isn't great.
 
Matthew said:
I was just doing my back of the envelope math and came up with around 110G. But I guessed on a few numbers. That's assuming a straight on angle, and that doesn't look like a bad guess.
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It also assumes a linear deceleration along the length of the airplane, which might be a decent *guess* but in the end will be far from correct.

Nauga,
who knows it was what it was
 
nauga said:
It also assumes a linear deceleration along the length of the airplane, which might be a decent *guess* but in the end will be far from correct.

Nauga,
who knows it was what it was
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True, but it's the best guess I can really make. I know a couple of engineers that would likely be able to fill a page with calculations and get it right, but not me.:lol: That's why I keep their phone numbers.;) I call with my math dillemas and they call me with their girl dilemmas.:lol:
 
Henning said:
True, but it's the best guess I can really make. I know a couple of engineers that would likely be able to fill a page with calculations and get it right, but not me.:lol: That's why I keep their phone numbers.;) I call with my math dillemas and they call me with their girl dilemmas.:lol:
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Taking a page from R&W: :rolleyes2:
 
So...

Who wins the "Captain Obvious" award in this thread thus far. I believe the overwhelming winner to be Henning (hey...a man's gotta get to 50k posts somehow) but I'm open to other nominations!

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timwinters said:
So...

Who wins the "Captain Obvious" award in this thread thus far. I believe the overwhelming winner to be Henning (hey...a man's gotta get to 50k posts somehow) but I'm open to other nominations!

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I nominate FBH with a very obvious conclusion...

That might not buff out...:no:...:redface:
 
Henning said:
Open the sunroof on your modern aerodynamic car, if you have a real time fuel mileage display, you can watch it drop a couple miles a gallon. The thing is, the decompression event is typically caused by a structural failure that handicaps other things as well. Sometimes it remains manageable like the 737 in Hawaii, sometimes it doesn't. Many variables in these things.
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Thats very true, but do you really think decompression could have caused something like this? Too soon to know of course, Very sad to hear
 
I was just listening to two talk radio commentators who were talking about the crash. Sean Hannity and Tom Sullivan. Tom Sullivan sounded rational mostly but Hannity was a complete, clueless, ignorant moron on the subject. I had to turn him off. I was starting to get angry.
 
The German online newspaper Spiegel is reporting that the accident aircraft spent hours on the ground in Düsseldorf yesterday with a problem with the nose landing gear door. And after the accident several Germanwings and LH Airbus crews have today refused their flight assignments.
 
Ryanb said:
Thats very true, but do you really think decompression could have caused something like this? Too soon to know of course, Very sad to hear
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The only reason I think that is because of the flight profile, it is what I would expect in a structural failure/decompression situation. They came down on an emergency descent to O2 safe altitudes at a rate of speed that was less than typical for an emergency descent (minimize stress on an already damaged airframe), tried to level out, and couldn't. That is all I am going by to guess on. If it is something else, I wouldn't be surprised, I just can't guess what it would be at this point with the data provided.:dunno:
 
Sac Arrow said:
I was just listening to two talk radio commentators who were talking about the crash. Sean Hannity and Tom Sullivan. Tom Sullivan sounded rational mostly but Hannity was a complete, clueless, ignorant moron on the subject. I had to turn him off. I was starting to get angry.
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He's an angry person in general, and it rubs off. People seem to like being angry, that's why they watch him. I can't stand to hear him speak on anything, but he gets good ratings.
 
Henning said:
Not likely to see anything recognizable.:(
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Exactly.

I've done cleanup for a crash like that once. I was very thankful I didn't realize some of the stuff I was picking up out of the ocean was human remains until well after the fact.
 
Pilawt said:
The German online newspaper Spiegel is reporting that the accident aircraft spent hours on the ground in Düsseldorf yesterday with a problem with the nose landing gear door. And after the accident several Germanwings and LH Airbus crews have today refused their flight assignments.
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Lufthansa is running into some problems on multiple fronts.
 
Assuming the LeDauphine site is trustworthy (I have no idea), the French interior minister confirmed that "a black box" (une boite noire) was found. Whether the CVR or the FDR, I didn't see any mention yet.
 
Henning said:
He's an angry person in general, and it rubs off. People seem to like being angry, that's why they watch him. I can't stand to hear him speak on anything, but he gets good ratings.
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No, he's not angry. He sells anger...just like Rush and BillO. Keeping the minions angry keeps them united. Gotta have a boogie man when you have nothing else.
 
A buddy of mine was in a band when we were in college. His motto then reminds me of so many talking heads on the TV and radio now, "If you can't be good, at least be loud!"
 
Matthew said:
A buddy of mine was in a band when we were in college. His motto then reminds me of so many talking heads on the TV and radio now, "If you can't be good, at least be loud!"
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If you can't fight, wear a big hat.
 
Pilawt said:
The German online newspaper Spiegel is reporting that the accident aircraft spent hours on the ground in Düsseldorf yesterday with a problem with the nose landing gear door. And after the accident several Germanwings and LH Airbus crews have today refused their flight assignments.
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Clicking around that site, it also seems that 16 teen-aged kids and two teachers, all from the same town, died on the flight. Very sad... :(

(I say "seems" because German's not one of my stronger languages. But I'm pretty sure that's the gist of it.)

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/germanwings-airbus-trauer-nach-absturz-in-frankreich-a-1025386.html

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RJM62 said:
Clicking around that site, it also seems that 16 teen-aged kids and two teachers, all from the same town, died on the flight. Very sad... :(

(I say "seems" because German's not one of my stronger languages. But I'm pretty sure that's the gist of it.)

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/germanwings-airbus-trauer-nach-absturz-in-frankreich-a-1025386.html

Rich
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I don't know if all the same stories are there but there is an English version of the site:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/

It's one of the few news sites I read.
 
timwinters said:
No, he's not angry. He sells anger...just like Rush and BillO. Keeping the minions angry keeps them united. Gotta have a boogie man when you have nothing else.
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True, I should have said "He plays an angry character on TV (since anger sells so well).
 
RJM62 said:
Clicking around that site, it also seems that 16 teen-aged kids and two teachers, all from the same town, died on the flight. Very sad... :(

(I say "seems" because German's not one of my stronger languages. But I'm pretty sure that's the gist of it.)

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/germanwings-airbus-trauer-nach-absturz-in-frankreich-a-1025386.html

Rich
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Yep, they were from a little city on the outskirts of the Ruhr valley industrial district and were on their way home from a week long immersion style Spanish course.This is typical for a German high school class, my cousin does 2-3 a year with his classes.:(
 
timwinters said:
No, he's not angry. He sells anger...just like Rush and BillO. Keeping the minions angry keeps them united. Gotta have a boogie man when you have nothing else.
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You mean like the 1%ers? The religious right? The "teabaggers"? The people who "cling to their guns and religion"? Those boogie men?
 
timwinters said:
No, he's not angry. He sells anger...just like Rush and BillO. Keeping the minions angry keeps them united. Gotta have a boogie man when you have nothing else.
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Yeah, that never happens on the other side.... :rofl:
 
nddons said:
You mean like the 1%ers? The religious right? The "teabaggers"? The people who "cling to their guns and religion"? Those boogie men?
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Yep, now turn around and look in the mirror and see what lies you stand in front of, it all about maintaining the fight.
 
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