Type rating just for fun

So what conclusion have you drawn that makes you think I could not do this?

Details please since you obviously are an expert.

Do you have any idea of what flight experience I have or do you just feel the need to play with your short ????


dtuuri said:
Type rating just for fun? I consider it serious business. Once you get through the course you ought to be ready to carry passengers, often for hire and often total strangers. I doubt from what I've seen that you cut the mustard. Riding in the back doesn't count for experience. Oh, it's not that you can't be propped up long enough to pass the test, Thurmond Munson was. I just don't believe from what I've read you have enough experience to have a clue. If you did, you wouldn't be proposing it.

If you buy an air taxi company the pilots will grow to hate you in short order. I've seen it before: Successful businessman/pilot buys FBO/jet charter operation and totally ef's up everything. Forget it. If you do it, remember where you heard it first. ;)

dtuuri
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So another late night observation. I did ask what rating would be the most fun / useful to get for retirement futures I then have a couple of impotent experts giving their advice if this is a good idea or not without knowing **** about my flight experience.

If you are to stupid to read a simple question and respond to it maybe you should just stick to whatever thing you are doing. I assume that means some low income gig.

Soo with that said lets move on.
 
Everskyward said:
I do.
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And you think what he said here is what a HR board is looking for?

Compared to someone who puts food on their table as a pilot, and who has worked their way up through the ranks, and pays the profession the respect it deserves.
 
Rotarywing said:
So another late night observation. I did ask what rating would be the most fun / useful to get for retirement futures I then have a couple of impotent experts giving their advice if this is a good idea or not without knowing **** about my flight experience.

If you are to stupid to read a simple question and respond to it maybe you should just stick to whatever thing you are doing. I assume that means some low income gig.

Soo with that said lets move on.
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So what's your flight experience?

If you're going to pull this off, you should loose that attitude, you might make millions and be the next Jesus Christ at your current position, but sitting right seat that **** there is going to get old quick, the left seater ain't going to have it, the customers aren't going to have it, management isn't going to want to hear about it.
 
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Rotarywing said:
It does not matter to me. This will be a fun thing to do and something to do when I retire from having a "real" job.

I fully expect to fly without getting paid but I will enjoy doing it. I will retire in a few years and I don't need the money.
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Unless you're looking to ride around right seat in something that doesn't really require an SIC (Phenom 100, King Air 90 etc), flying as an SIC for free is a good way to burn bridges in this business and is bad for those of us who have made flying our "real" jobs. How would you feel if somebody walked into your office and offered to do your job for free putting you out of a job? Tread carefully...
 
Rotarywing said:
Interesting comments but completely useless. I am not looking for a Carrier. I have one that pays millions per year. I am looking forward to a $0 paying Job when I decide to do what's fun for me.
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Congrats on your fortune. Now don't **** on my lawn just because you "have yours" and just want to have some fun...:rolleyes2:
 
It's all about performance. It does not matter what you offer in my businesses if you can't perform. Multiples in EBIT matters and so does top line increase.

Business have no room for feeling. You perform or you are out.

What bridges would be burned? Certainly not with with the people that counts.

GCA319 said:
Unless you're looking to ride around right seat in something that doesn't really require an SIC (Phenom 100, King Air 90 etc), flying as an SIC for free is a good way to burn bridges in this business and is bad for those of us who have made flying our "real" jobs. How would you feel if somebody walked into your office and offered to do your job for free putting you out of a job? Tread carefully...
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So what is your issue exactly?

QUOTE=GCA319;1717941]Congrats on your fortune. Now don't **** on my lawn just because you "have yours" and just want to have some fun...:rolleyes2:[/QUOTE]
 
So let me first say that there is no Jesus christ or Santa claus. But the easter bunnny called with your eggs.

What attitude? What do you have an issue with?


James331 said:
So what's your flight experience?

If you're going to pull this off, you should loose that attitude, you might make millions and be the next Jesus Christ at your current position, but sitting right seat that **** there is going to get old quick, the right seater ain't going to have it, the customers aren't going to have it, management isn't going to want to hear about it.
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Rotarywing said:
So what is your issue exactly?

QUOTE=GCA319;1717941]Congrats on your fortune. Now don't **** on my lawn just because you "have yours" and just want to have some fun...:rolleyes2:
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Your attitude. And with that, I'm out of this discussion. I smell a bit of a troll here...
 
Attitude regrading what?
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Good call. If you can't justifye your view pull the troll card :D


Your attitude. And with that, I'm out of this discussion. I smell a bit of a troll here...[/QUOTE]
 
James331 said:
And you think what he said here is what a HR board is looking for?
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I doubt if he is going in front of any HR board. Besides, I don't think they know or care who paid for your type rating. The bigger hurdle would be no experience.

James331 said:
Compared to someone who puts food on their table as a pilot, and who has worked their way up through the ranks, and pays the profession the respect it deserves.
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It's a free market. If you didn't want to compete with people who will do it for free or cheap you shouldn't have picked a career which other people view as "fun". Lots of people out there who are willing to work for less because they want to fly but have other sources of money; retired military; retired airline (especially when age 60 was still in effect); and people like this guy who have had successful careers and want to try something else.
 
Closed discussion as far as I am concerned. Thanks for the input
 
Rotarywing said:
Business have no room for feeling. You perform or you are out.
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Do you understand that performing will involve a lot more than flying the airplane? Will you clean the interior? Empty a lav? Go make a run to the store because the passenger made a last minute request for Nutter Butters?
 
Haha. Well yes of course. Being a pilot is a service job. Low paid and service. That's business. What is your point?

kayoh190 said:
Do you understand that performing will involve a lot more than flying the airplane? Will you clean the interior? Empty a lav? Go make a run to the store because the passenger made a last minute request for Nutter Butters?
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Rotarywing said:
Haha. Well yes of course. Being a pilot is a service job. Low paid and service. That's business. What is your point?
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Just as long as you understand what you're getting yourself into.
 
Rotarywing said:
It's all about performance. It does not matter what you offer in my businesses if you can't perform. Multiples in EBIT matters and so does top line increase.

Business have no room for feeling. You perform or you are out.

What bridges would be burned? Certainly not with with the people that counts.
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Because from what you said, you just want to "have fun" and that isn't what the chief pilot wants to hear, these people are in the business of providing a service and making money, not entertaining some rich retired guy with a attitude problem.

The people that count are not going to want to hear all their employees (who bring in money) complain about Mini Mogal ****ing everyone off with his attitude and working for free in their industry, a industry rightfully very sensitive to people who buy their way into a job or "work" for free.

Comments like "maybe you should just stick to whatever thing you are doing. I assume that means some low income gig."

It's FAAAR easier to just hire a real professional pilot vs taking a risk with some self proclaimed big deal retired guy who wants to play "professional pilot".

For someone who is so successful you sure went about this the wrong way.
Why didn't you say something like; "Hey guys, I'm retiring from my career and I would like to try my hand at being a professional pilot, my experience is XYZ and I would like to work my way into a LR60, I'm ok not making much money based off my retirement, could you please give me a idea on how to best go about this"

Instead you decided to flaunt all this money you claim to make, you insult pilots who are giving you some advice, because it's not what you want to hear, and basically ask how you can buy your way into our profession.

All the above sounds more like a spoiled rich child then a successful humble retired man, who knows he doesn't need to prove anything, who is looking to work his way up as a pilot for his retirement.
 
Everskyward said:
I doubt if he is going in front of any HR board. Besides, I don't think they know or care who paid for your type rating. The bigger hurdle would be no experience.

It's a free market. If you didn't want to compete with people who will do it for free or cheap you shouldn't have picked a career which other people view as "fun". Lots of people out there who are willing to work for less because they want to fly but have other sources of money; retired military; retired airline (especially when age 60 was still in effect); and people like this guy who have had successful careers and want to try something else.
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Agreed

Between no past aviation work and his inability to go 2 posts without talking about how successful he is, he won't get past the phone interview, if even there.

The paid for type would be obvious from his resumé, zero past pilot work + fresh type + no hours on type, and in my experience the CP would probably rather have a guy who worked his way up to mins, vs a guy who bought his way up to mins. :dunno:

Being a good pilot and customer service is only one part of the mix, getting along around the water cooler is vital too, no one wants to hire "that guy" who is going to cause headaches for management with all the complaints from everyone else.


GCA319 said:
Your attitude. And with that, I'm out of this discussion. I smell a bit of a troll here...
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:yeahthat:


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Rotarywing said:
So I am thinking I like to add a type rating. Mostly for fun but maybe also to be able to fly a few "charters" when I retire. I am not interested getting paid for flying. It will be my retirement gig.

So what rating would be the most "common"?

Hawker? Lear? Citation?
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Why don't you go buy a seat on whatever the current incarnation of Gulfstream Airlines is? You'll get a type and won't have to clean lavs.
 
James331 said:
Between no past aviation work and his inability to go 2 posts without talking about how successful he is, he won't get past the phone interview, if even there.

The paid for type would be obvious from his resumé, zero past pilot work + fresh type + no hours on type, and in my experience the CP would probably rather have a guy who worked his way up to mins, vs a guy who bought his way up to mins. :dunno:
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It was my impression that he wanted a type rating for the heck of it and to maybe pick up a few flights, not that he wanted to take anyone's full-time job. As I mentioned before, I don't think a type rating with no time is worth much when being hired which is why people don't do it. But that's an economic decision. If he has the money to spend and wants to spend it in that way, more power to him.
 
If this guy really makes "millions per year" currently, he should pick a jet he likes, buy it, and spend his time flying Angel Flight missions while giving right-seat time to pilots looking to get their start.

That would be much better karma.... ;)


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Falcon 50EX, 900EX or 7X. Stand up cabins. Externally serviceable toilets. Nose wheel steering tiller, APU, hydraulic leading edge stats, thrust reverser, all hydraulic flight controls.

Best reason to choose? Three engine Falcons look sweet and go fast.

I'm a cessna guy but "type for fun" changes my usual choices.
 
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Rotarywing said:
So what conclusion have you drawn that makes you think I could not do this?
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That you're just trolling along wasting my time. I feel sorry for the guys and doll responding to your thread. G'bye. :)

dtuuri
 
Revel in your smugness for driving someone else away. The OP was not defensive until someone jumped him for paying for a type rating as if it is some moral deficiency which makes him want to do that.
 
Everskyward said:
Revel in your smugness for driving someone else away. The OP was not defensive until someone jumped him for paying for a type rating as if it is some moral deficiency which makes him want to do that.
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That doesn't appear to be how this went down at all.


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Rotarywing said:
So I am thinking I like to add a type rating. Mostly for fun but maybe also to be able to fly a few "charters" when I retire. I am not interested getting paid for flying. It will be my retirement gig.

So what rating would be the most "common"?

Hawker? Lear? Citation?
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HIS SECOND POST, no one said anything negative about what he wanted to do at this point.


Rotarywing said:
It does not matter to me. This will be a fun thing to do and something to do when I retire from having a "real" job.

I fully expect to fly without getting paid but I will enjoy doing it. I will retire in a few years and I don't need the money.
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When you insult people working in the industry on your second post, saying that we don't have a "real job", and say you'll work for free (which is a big no no in the industry for good reason), you're setting yourself up to get lit up.
 
James331 said:
That doesn't appear to be how this went down at all.





FIRST POST











HIS SECOND POST, no one said anything negative about what he wanted to do at this point.









When you insult people working in the industry on your second post, saying that we don't have a "real job", and say you'll work for free (which is a big no no in the industry for good reason), you're setting yourself up to get lit up.
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He was not insulting anyone, that's just your personal interpretation of his posts since you are one of those who thinks pilots should not pay for type ratings, especially not in the interest of getting a leg up on someone else. My feeling is that it really doesn't matter. People pay for their educations all the time and market themselves at whatever price they want.
 
Muttley said:
I intend no disrespect, but from your comments I sense you have not spent time as a working professional pilot. Your intentions may be honorable, but in the working pilot world you will create a bad reputation for yourself by buying a type rating a working for free.

I applaud your desire to fly during retirement but please stop saying you'll do it for no pay. Honestly, among good operators, if you say that during an interview your resume will be sent to the bottom of the trash can. Good flight departments do not want seat fillers who are willing to fly for free.

OTOH, there are plenty of cheapskate Pt 91 operators who will happily not pay you, but I personally would not want to share a cockpit with them. In my own career, I've come across a number of folks who have said they'd fly for free and they have garnered bad reputations and quickly disappear. Please don't do it.

On a side note, you should never, ever, ever pay for your first type rating. Unless you are flying your own, personal aircraft, an employer should pay for training. A type rating is required for acting as PIC. No one in their right mind would hire you as PIC with a fresh type-rating and no time in type. You can be SIC on any aircraft the PIC is willing to have you, even single-pilot aircraft.

The best way to go about progressing in the career (at any age) is to offer yourself as willing to toss bags, pull gear and handle the radio for a reasonable day rate. This is also called "squawk and talk" and "gear up, shut up". Airplane operators to target would be those flying single pilot aircraft: PC12, any King Air, Citations and CJ's, etc.
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+1000 for this post ! Hey OP if you want to "Play" jet pilot just go buy one since you're obviously such a wheeler dealer. Then you can become a statistic in a few months. Your "Benevolence"'very much hurts young pilots trying to come up thru the ranks to earn a living.
 
Everskyward said:
He was not insulting anyone, that's just your personal interpretation of his posts since you are one of those who thinks pilots should not pay for type ratings, especially not in the interest of getting a leg up on someone else. My feeling is that it really doesn't matter. People pay for their educations all the time and market themselves at whatever price they want.
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Yes. Supply and demand / market forces are why pilot salaries are what they are.

It's mighty competitive to make a living as a rockstar, NASCAR driver, or football player as well. I bet those types of folks do a lot of work for "free" early in their careers too.
 
Everskyward said:
He was not insulting anyone, that's just your personal interpretation of his posts since you are one of those who thinks pilots should not pay for type ratings, especially not in the interest of getting a leg up on someone else. My feeling is that it really doesn't matter. People pay for their educations all the time and market themselves at whatever price they want.
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If he would have made those same posts on some of the working pilot forums he would have gotten it even worse than he did here, I think everyone was actually quite nice to him despite is attitude and what he was proposing to do.

Paying for your initial CPL, or getting a glider add on or something for YOU, is quite diffrent than buying a type, or paying for your training at a JOB.

Art VanDelay said:
+1000 for this post ! Hey OP if you want to "Play" jet pilot just go buy one since you're obviously such a wheeler dealer. Then you can become a statistic in a few months. Your "Benevolence"'very much hurts young pilots trying to come up thru the ranks to earn a living.
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James331 said:
If he would have made those same posts on some of the working pilot forums he would have gotten it even worse than he did here, I think everyone was actually quite nice to him despite is attitude and what he was proposing to do.



Paying for your initial CPL, or getting a glider add on or something for YOU, is quite diffrent than buying a type, or paying for your training at a JOB.
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Oh my! He was unaware of the unwritten code. I know how people would have responded on those other boards and am disappointed he got the same reception here, especially when if is clear he does not want a new career.
 
Everskyward said:
Oh my! He was unaware of the unwritten code. I know how people would have responded on those other boards and am disappointed he got the same reception here, especially when if is clear he does not want a new career.
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But apparently you fail to grasp how these types of actions hurt those that do !
 
Everskyward said:
Revel in your smugness for driving someone else away. The OP was not defensive until someone jumped him for paying for a type rating as if it is some moral deficiency which makes him want to do that.
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Heh, heh, you paid for yours too, didn't ya.

dtuuri
 
Art VanDelay said:
But apparently you fail to grasp how these types of actions hurt those that do !
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Oh no, I grasp it. I work for a non-union charter/management company. I'm just saying it's his money, his right, even if it impacts me.
 
Everskyward said:
Oh no, I grasp it. I work for a non-union charter/management company. I'm just saying it's his money, his right, even if it impacts me.
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100% agree.

His choice and he's free to make it, doesn't mean I, or most all working in the industry have to agree with him, or like him.



Heck you are free and welcome to tattoo a swastika on your forehead, however it won't make you many friends and it may make getting a job a little more difficult.
 
James331 said:
100% agree.

His choice and he's free to make it, doesn't mean I, or most all working in the industry have to agree with him, or like him.
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Yeah, some of the pilots in the business can be very cliquish, which is one of the things I don't like about it. Glad I spent the first part of my career in a fringe part of the industry (mapping) where there are fewer of these cultural unwritten rules. He'll probably be able to find a niche if he wants. If not, he did the type rating for fun, which was his original stated purpose.
 
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