Garmin Pilot for Android -- Tech Support, Tips, Tricks

[airdale]

Owning a 650, the logic flows the same and whether looking at the GTN or GP, I know immediately which way to get there. I'm sure that is what is driving their design.

And that's great for guys like you and, going forward, for Gamin. But it does very little to help them capture share in today's market because the penetration of the newer boxes is not that great yet.

If they were already dominant in the tablet flight planner market the new-box UI would definitely be the way to go. But my point is that they are playing catch-up and have chosen to not take advantage of their installed base by not giving the base something that looks at least a little bit like what the base is familiar with.

The problem may be nothing more than marketing myopia. Maybe they are so used to being the tall dog that they can't get their heads around underdog strategy. It would be interesting to be a mouse in the corner at the GM's review with the marketing staff.

 

[LDJones]

And that's great for guys like you and, going forward, for Gamin. But it does very little to help them capture share in today's market because the penetration of the newer boxes is not that great yet.

If they were already dominant in the tablet flight planner market the new-box UI would definitely be the way to go. But my point is that they are playing catch-up and have chosen to not take advantage of their installed base by not giving the base something that looks at least a little bit like what the base is familiar with.

The problem may be nothing more than marketing myopia. Maybe they are so used to being the tall dog that they can't get their heads around underdog strategy. It would be interesting to be a mouse in the corner at the GM's review with the marketing staff.

Wouldn't it be marketing myopia to develop for the ten-year-old interface, rather than building for the future and the product line offerings they're building for people buying today?

As for your earlier points on not going for Android over iPad, I think that also defies the realities of the market place. The iPad has OWNED the tablet market for almost six years. That is slowly changing, thanks to credible Android offerings, but for them to have developed primarily for a market that at the time didn't even exist wouldn't have made much sense.

As for Garmin buying other companies, I suspect they surveyed the market and bought what they felt fit their strategic goals. While Garmin is a very successful company, I know very few corporations where resources are unlimited....they do have shareholders who expect a return. They would have lost ground had they bought ForeFlight since FF is adamant about staying iPad-only. They won't even broach the topic of an Android offering. Digital Cyclone was already supporting multiple platforms, which I suspect better fit Garmin's long-term strategy.

Personally, I'm loving the competition we have out there today. I don't WANT Garmin to buy up all the competitors leaving us with a single choice...and commensurate sole-source pricing that would eventually result.

 

[snoboy]

Have you looked at GTN-650 or -750?? It's the same icon-ology as GP....in fact, that's what seems to have driven the design. Personally, I've expressed my opinion that the menu is a downfall on GP because it forces you to go through an extra button push to move between features, versus ForeFlight's always-present menu at the bottom of the screen allowing direct access to the key features. I showed them how I use ForeFlight and quickly move between features (i.e. Maps and Charts or Airport info), and left them mulling over how they could accomplish the same within their design.

Very true. We are in the process of converting all of our King KLN94s over one airplane at a time to the Garmin GTN-650. We had a showing of our newly equipped aircraft and I immediately made the statement "that looks just like Garmin pilot". While I haven't flown using the new 650 I don't think it will be very hard to use.

 

[airdale]

Wouldn't it be marketing myopia to develop for the ten-year-old interface, rather than building for the future and the product line offerings they're building for people buying today?

Well, it would be a tricky thing. I would probably start with UI elements that were familiar to the base plus some new ones, then as major version releases happened I would slowly migrate the UI. But I would not be in a big hurry unless the market feedback said it wanted me to move.

... for them to have developed primarily for a market that at the time didn't even exist wouldn't have made much sense.

Certainly their decision to offer a weak entry to the Android market is clearly wrong in the rear view mirror (at least to me and rich0). But things are usually much clearer in the rear view mirror than they were through the windshield.

I know very few corporations where resources are unlimited....they do have shareholders who expect a return.

True enough. But they do have $1.2B in cash (more than AOPA!), so necessary investments for true leadership are tiny in comparison. ROI is impossible to predict, so you have to go on faith. Their portable aviation device market is facing an existential threat. That should be motivation enough unless they are planning to walk away, which would be extremely unusual behavior at a point like this.

I don't WANT Garmin to buy up all the competitors leaving us with a single choice

I agree. But if they did buy ForeFlight, they could easily overrule the "we won't develop for Android" commandment. But if they bought ForeFlight they wouldn't have to. They would have the market leader position on the market leader platform, as you point out.

There's a reason people watch horse races. It's interesting, especially when someone else is paying for the horses.

 

[Jay Honeck]

Personally, I'm loving the competition we have out there today. I don't WANT Garmin to buy up all the competitors leaving us with a single choice...and commensurate sole-source pricing that would eventually result.

Amen, brother. Let's keep that market competitive.

I look at Garmin's panel mount offerings in the certificated market, and just shake my head. None of it was justifiable, to me, as a VFR pilot.

Now, is that Garmin's fault? Not entirely. The gummint rules made it extremely expensive for them to bring certificated products to market. Still, they have no real competition left in that market, which allows them to charge an astounding amount for (what has become) relatively simple computers.

I look at Dynon (and others) in the homebuilt market, and appreciate what real competition can do to keep prices reasonable.

My 3-access TruTrack autopilot in the -8A is a great example. It does everything the top-of-the-line S-TEC promised to do in my Pathfinder, for a third the price. I opted not to buy the S-TEC, while I happily sprang for a plane that had a TruTrack.

Competition keeps everyone honest, and prices reasonable.

 

[KeyWestPhotog]

They had a lot of GDL-39s in house and solid functionality with it on all platforms seems to be a priority. Having now flown with it, I'm leaning toward getting one since works across both my devices. Since it's a year old I'm curious if they have an upgrade coming with more functionality (ala Stratus II). If they knew about any upgrades, they were tight-lipped on that score. I'll probably wait til OSH to decide.

As of late (across the last 2 months) I have been having a problem where GP won't register the GPS from Dual that I use. When using the dual software I can see that it is connected fine to the iPad and finding about 16 damn satellites.

It seems the only way I can get GP to show it, is to force close all programs then shutoff the iPad. Turn then the iPad on, startup Dual GPS, let it connect, then startup GP... All while crossing my fingers it works


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[LDJones]

Well, it would be a tricky thing. I would probably start with UI elements that were familiar to the base plus some new ones, then as major version releases happened I would slowly migrate the UI. But I would not be in a big hurry unless the market feedback said it wanted me to move.

How do you develop a buttons-and-knobs UI on a graphical tablet?? Wouldn't that be like putting a C> prompt on an iPad??

Certainly their decision to offer a weak entry to the Android market is clearly wrong in the rear view mirror (at least to me and rich0). But things are usually much clearer in the rear view mirror than they were through the windshield.

I'd argue they're current offering is far from "weak"...I've been using it effectively on a Nexus for almost a year now, and the enhancements have come at a pretty fast pace in that time. It even has some features I like better than ForeFlight, although FF remains my favorite UI overall, at least for now. BTW, FF's UI has nothing in common with a 430/530 interface!

True enough. But they do have $1.2B in cash (more than AOPA!), so necessary investments for true leadership are tiny in comparison. ROI is impossible to predict, so you have to go on faith. Their portable aviation device market is facing an existential threat. That should be motivation enough unless they are planning to walk away, which would be extremely unusual behavior at a point like this.

I don't disagree with that...I couldn't imagine spending $1,000-2,500 on a portable, dedicated aviation handheld today with what's available on COTS tablet hardware today. I suspect the saw that, hence the acquisition of DCI and support for the leading platforms.

I agree. But if they did buy ForeFlight, they could easily overrule the "we won't develop for Android" commandment. But if they bought ForeFlight they wouldn't have to. They would have the market leader position on the market leader platform, as you point out.

But their Android development would have started from scratch with FF, whereas DCI had both development teams and expertise already in place. iOS just had a big lead because there was no Android to develop for when they started writing their products. Plus, they got Minnesotans rather than Texans!

There's a reason people watch horse races. It's interesting, especially when someone else is paying for the horses.

For me, horse races are just too short!

 

[LDJones]

As of late (across the last 2 months) I have been having a problem where GP won't register the GPS from Dual that I use. When using the dual software I can see that it is connected fine to the iPad and finding about 16 damn satellites.

It seems the only way I can get GP to show it, is to force close all programs then shutoff the iPad. Turn then the iPad on, startup Dual GPS, let it connect, then startup GP... All while crossing my fingers it works

I think you're running into a bug introduced in the last version of iOS. I was just reading about it last night. Let me see if I can find the article.

 

[airdale]

How do you develop a buttons-and-knobs UI on a graphical tablet??

I am thinking of things like the way a flight plan is entered and presented, as a list, and the way waypoint insertion is done. Same-o, Direct-To, PROC, etc. but then obviously you use touch instead of the big knob/little knob exercise. Show the map centered on own-ship without having to have an FPL entered, etc. Make context menus familiar. In fact I think such an interface could eliminate the "extra button push" you refer to. IMHO there's lots that could be done to make the base feel comfortable while still exploiting the device and being on a planned path to nirvana.

I'd argue they're current offering is far from "weak" ...

Depends on context. It is certainly not weak compared to not having anything or to having one of the little Garmin x96 portables. I think GP/Android is weak, however, when compared to its iThings incarnation or to ForeFlight and WingX. As you said, "catch up" is needed.

For me, horse races are just too short!

Agreed. As you can probably tell, I find the marketing horse races far more interesting. and longer-lasting.

 

[Marauder]

As of late (across the last 2 months) I have been having a problem where GP won't register the GPS from Dual that I use. When using the dual software I can see that it is connected fine to the iPad and finding about 16 damn satellites.

It seems the only way I can get GP to show it, is to force close all programs then shutoff the iPad. Turn then the iPad on, startup Dual GPS, let it connect, then startup GP... All while crossing my fingers it works


Sent from my iPhone using An APP that doesn't pay me to advertise for them.

Couple of things to look at. make sure the little switch on the Dual is on Apple. It will connect but won't work with Garmin if it is not on Apple. Also, LD is talking about the Location services issue. Go into the iPad settings app, go to privacy, shut off the location services, power off the iPad completely with the top button and red drag bar. Power up, and restart the location services. I think this was an iOS6 problem only.

 

[LDJones]

I am thinking of things like the way a flight plan is entered and presented, as a list, and the way waypoint insertion is done. Same-o, Direct-To, PROC, etc. but then obviously you use touch instead of the big knob/little knob exercise. Show the map centered on own-ship without having to have an FPL entered, etc. Make context menus familiar. In fact I think such an interface could eliminate the "extra button push" you refer to. IMHO there's lots that could be done to make the base feel comfortable while still exploiting the device and being on a planned path to nirvana.
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Depends on context. It is certainly not weak compared to not having anything or to having one of the little Garmin x96 portables. I think GP/Android is weak, however, when compared to its iThings incarnation or to ForeFlight and WingX. As you said, "catch up" is needed.

Again, I'd argue they're developing for a unified user experience going forward, rather than trying to implement a ten-year-old non-graphical paradigm in a modern, graphical, touch-screen world. Having pop-up text menus ala 430/530 would have gotten them resoundingly panned in the iOS world.

Also, the Android platform is probably 95% feature competitive with the iOS offering, so the disparity isn't all that great. We're talking a handful of features here or there (i.e. the timer feature and, now, the vector-based map option.) But you know they're working on those and will likely have those available sooner rather than later.

The bottom line is I went from a ForeFlight-only user on my iPad to a ForeFlight/Garmin Pilot user on the iPad and Garmin Pilot-only on the Android-based Nexus. I've gone stretches where I used my Nexus almost exclusively, until the on-board GPS started to be a bit undependable. An external GPS with ADS-B will ultimately solve that issue.

And I think you alluded to the mandatory flight plan requirement in GP, which I also find annoying. Believe me, they've heard that complaint a lot, so I doubt that issue will go unresolved for very long.

BTW, I'm not an apologist for Garmin Pilot. I'm currently flying with FF, GP and FlyQ and switch back and forth often, even in flight. But I'm a bit of a geek, and readily admit it!

 

[Marauder]

And that's great for guys like you and, going forward, for Gamin. But it does very little to help them capture share in today's market because the penetration of the newer boxes is not that great yet.

If they were already dominant in the tablet flight planner market the new-box UI would definitely be the way to go. But my point is that they are playing catch-up and have chosen to not take advantage of their installed base by not giving the base something that looks at least a little bit like what the base is familiar with.

The problem may be nothing more than marketing myopia. Maybe they are so used to being the tall dog that they can't get their heads around underdog strategy. It would be interesting to be a mouse in the corner at the GM's review with the marketing staff.

Garmin is reacting as I have seen them react before. When they were the gorilla in the portable GPS systems for cars, they did what they wanted. I for one remember being required to pay for their map updates. As Tom Tom, Magellan and finally smart phone apps started munching away their business, the software is now free on many models and the prices are lower. Better for us.

On the aviation side, they are still the gorilla on the panel mounted GPS side. That will go under attack as Avidyne, Honeywell and others introduce competitive products. It is tough be the market leader with no competition. Take a look at the prices for used 430/530s. Clearly elevated because the delta between the GTN and no competitive equivalent option exists.

As for the portable/tablet situation, they don't want to lose the portable business but it is clearly headed that way with the tablets taking over. Garmin has never played nice in the sandbox. This is evident with the recent issues with Aspen Avionics Connected Panel offering. Garmin changed the protocols on the 430/530 series through a firmware update and now it doesn't work. Aspen sent a letter out to their customers explaining the situation. As well, Connected Panel does not work with the GTN series. My belief is Garmin is looking to move in that direction with their panel mounted products and tablet interfaces (i.e. Pilot).

As was also pointed out in the threads below, I love the competition. Tablet app switching costs for us is relatively minor compared to the hardware switching costs of the panel mounted stuff.

 

[Marauder]

Again, I'd argue they're developing for a unified user experience going forward, rather than trying to implement a ten-year-old non-graphical paradigm in a modern, graphical, touch-screen world. Having pop-up text menus ala 430/530 would have gotten them resoundingly panned in the iOS world.

Also, the Android platform is probably 95% feature competitive with the iOS offering, so the disparity isn't all that great. We're talking a handful of features here or there (i.e. the timer feature and, now, the vector-based map option.) But you know they're working on those and will likely have those available sooner rather than later.

The bottom line is I went from a ForeFlight-only user on my iPad to a ForeFlight/Garmin Pilot user on the iPad and Garmin Pilot-only on the Android-based Nexus. I've gone stretches where I used my Nexus almost exclusively, until the on-board GPS started to be a bit undependable. An external GPS with ADS-B will ultimately solve that issue.

And I think you alluded to the mandatory flight plan requirement in GP, which I also find annoying. Believe me, they've heard that complaint a lot, so I doubt that issue will go unresolved for very long.

BTW, I'm not an apologist for Garmin Pilot. I'm currently flying with FF, GP and FlyQ and switch back and forth often, even in flight. But I'm a bit of a geek, and readily admit it!

Garmin has the resources to be pretty aggressive in this market. I have seen some real progress on GP and expect this to continue. My personal pet peeve with both Garmin and ForeFlight is the dedicated antenna required. Both of which do not support ADS-B out without another vendor's separate box, so unless you have an "out" box in your plane, you are only getting a part of the picture for traffic.

For the last few days I have been playing with WingX. I am trying them out because they support the full fleet of ADS-B portable with "out" boxes available today (SkyGuardTWX, Sagetech Clarity, etc.). Definitely different than either FF or Garmin Pilot, but worth a lookie...

 

[ja_user]

As of late (across the last 2 months) I have been having a problem where GP won't register the GPS from Dual that I use. When using the dual software I can see that it is connected fine to the iPad and finding about 16 damn satellites.

It seems the only way I can get GP to show it, is to force close all programs then shutoff the iPad. Turn then the iPad on, startup Dual GPS, let it connect, then startup GP... All while crossing my fingers it works


Sent from my iPhone using An APP that doesn't pay me to advertise for them.

That is what I do, except I have to unpair the Dual GPS before I shut everything down. All other apps work fine.

 

[airdale]

An external GPS with ADS-B will ultimately solve that issue.

Actually I was just thinking that this is the scenario that might salvage some dedicated-box business for Garmin. They can integrate an AHRS, an ADS-B rx, and even Zaon type traffic into one box, eliminating glare shield clutter and cable rats' nests. OTS consumer hardware will never do this. Certainly there is a market for an integrated solution, but at what price premium?

Re Marauder I agree totally. re the Aspen situation, keeping interfaces proprietary is classic behavior for share leaders. No surprise that Garmin did it to Aspen and no surprise that GP will only talk to a GDL-39 and its probably-soon-to-be-introduced AHRS cousin. ForeFlight and Stratus, same situation. ForeFlight undoubtedly gets paid every time Stratus sells a box -- in exchange for agreeing to make them the sole box provider to ForeFlight customers.

 

[Marauder]

Actually I was just thinking that this is the scenario that might salvage some dedicated-box business for Garmin. They can integrate an AHRS, an ADS-B rx, and even Zaon type traffic into one box, eliminating glare shield clutter and cable rats' nests. OTS consumer hardware will never do this. Certainly there is a market for an integrated solution, but at what price premium?

Re Marauder I agree totally. re the Aspen situation, keeping interfaces proprietary is classic behavior for share leaders. No surprise that Garmin did it to Aspen and no surprise that GP will only talk to a GDL-39 and its probably-soon-to-be-introduced AHRS cousin. ForeFlight and Stratus, same situation. ForeFlight undoubtedly gets paid every time Stratus sells a box -- in exchange for agreeing to make them the sole box provider to ForeFlight customers.

I can't blame any of them for the position they take. If you are the market leader, make it hard for your competition. At some point, value for cost comes into play and people migrate. What I like about my Aspens are the open hierarchy. I can interface almost any of my legacy hardware and make it work. That wins over business. Most of us cannot afford wholesale upgrade paths and need to do it stepwise. Cater to that market and you will eventually win.

If Garmin can figure out how to do an "out" option with AHRS cheaper than anyone else, they will clean up. The only reason I am looking at WingX is the open hierarchy. If Garmin played nice and integrated everything, I would look at them for the future. That is why there are Aspens in my panel and not a G500/600.

 

[KeyWestPhotog]

For iPad pilots, I found the issue being discussed here (news article) Yes it's an IOS 6 issue.

Didn't mean to "Hi-Jack" the thread, but figure I'd try and help out if other iPilots needed the info.

I'm currently flying with FF, GP and FlyQ and switch back and forth often, even in flight. But I'm a bit of a geek, and readily admit it!

Jonesy, sounds like you could fly with me. On these long flights across the water down here, those things give us things to make these flights seem to go faster

 

[rich0]

They are using the cloud for sync. All my flight plans, user-defined waypoints, etc. magically appear on my phone, my Nexus 7 and my iPad. I think that's pretty coo. I can rough our a trip on my phone over lunch, then have it on my Nexus or iPad when I jump in the cockpit.

Odd. Maybe it doesn't work during the trial or something. I couldn't find a place to specify a fly.garmin.com account - just the subscription info (which seemed like it wasn't quite the same). The manual refers to a screen-shot which shows a menu item that isn't visible in the trial android version.

 

[Samwise]

I would like to ask the forum members here if they have had any problems with the Direct To function on Garmin Pilot android.

I cannot get this to work reliably. The issue is that after doing a direct to a way point, any way point, it will revert back to the active route after a few minutes. I have even taken all routes out except one waypoint which is required by GP and it will revert to that one way point in the route.

It was better in previous versions but the latest is unusable.

Garmin said it was that the internal GPS in the nexus was not good enough so I purchased a DUAL and connected it and had the same problem. I tried it with my phone and the DUAL but same problem. If you are not moving it will stay on the direct to but when moving starts it will revert.

I have a video of it doing it on youtube at http://YOUTU.BE/1UQPFUC1dew

The active route was 49A TOMSE ATL SSI. I am off route but heading toward 49A when I invoke the Direct 49A. It shows Direct to 49A.but shows data for the active routes destination of SSI showing the destination is 240 miles away and not for the direct to 49A destination which is about 3 miles away! Then at 1:38 in the video it reverts back to the active route. I try a second time to invoke direct to 49A. It very briefly says direct to 49A but then immediately goes back to the route

Immediately after it fails I switch to an app that tells you how many satellites you are using and it says 10 in use. So how is this a signal issue? You can see this in the video.

I have the exact same issue as well.

 

[Jay Honeck]

Does anyone know how the GDL-39 must be placed for optimal reception? Will it work if the stubby antenna has an oblique view of the sky, or will performance be degraded?

On tonight's flight to San Antonio (55 minutes, chock-to-chock. Man, there's nothing like speed) I did some maneuvering that floated the GDL-39 off the glareshield. Mary hates it up there anyway, as it blocks her already limited view forward, so I have now zip-tied the thing to the side of the cockpit wall just forward of the sliding canopy.

The stub antenna still sees the sky. I hope that will do.

Also I am happy to report that the Nexus 7/Garmin Pilot combo continues to be a stunning success in the back cockpit of the -8A. My yoke mount works well on the roll bar, putting the unit right where you want it, and the split screen with the faux six-pack instruments is great.

Next step is to get ship's power for the Nexus 7 in the back hole...

 

[chartbundle]

Does anyone know how the GDL-39 must be placed for optimal reception? Will it work if the stubby antenna has an oblique view of the sky, or will performance be degraded?

Remember the stubby antenna is mostly for ground stations and air to air it doesn't need to see 'sky'. I don't know the GPS antenna location, but I'd expect a patch antenna built into the body of the unit since they have 2 connectors on the unit for remote antennas. I know various companies make remote ADS-B antennas, so, you could suction cup one to the window or even install one on the bottom of the plane. And have the unit so it can see the sky for GPS or remote mount a GPS antenna somewhere as well.

Here's a nice overview of the GDL-39 antennas from a site you might be familiar with:

http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=91080

 

[Jay Honeck]

Remember the stubby antenna is mostly for ground stations and air to air it doesn't need to see 'sky'. I don't know the GPS antenna location, but I'd expect a patch antenna built into the body of the unit since they have 2 connectors on the unit for remote antennas. I know various companies make remote ADS-B antennas, so, you could suction cup one to the window or even install one on the bottom of the plane. And have the unit so it can see the sky for GPS or remote mount a GPS antenna somewhere as well.

Here's a nice overview of the GDL-39 antennas from a site you might be familiar with:

http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=91080

Interesting! So the stubby antenna actually needs to see DOWN, not up? Well, crap, having it on the glareshield is about as bad a spot as possible for THAT.

Of course, I doubt it can see through the metal floor very well. I wonder where I can put it?

 

[LDJones]

Interesting! So the stubby antenna actually needs to see DOWN, not up? Well, crap, having it on the glareshield is about as bad a spot as possible for THAT.

Of course, I doubt it can see through the metal floor very well. I wonder where I can put it?

I'd seriously consider an external antenna. It's basically another transponder blade antenna on the bottom, if I recall. Then the unit itself could be mounted anywhere out of sight.

 

[Jay Honeck]

I'd seriously consider an external antenna. It's basically another transponder blade antenna on the bottom, if I recall. Thn the init itself could be mounted anywhere out of sight.

Dude. RV guys don't mount stuff on the outside. That's drag.

Good idea. But first, I'll see if it works okay where I zip tied it!

 

[sonex293]

RV guys love to mount things in the fiberglass wingtips....

==
Michael

Dude. RV guys don't mount stuff on the outside. That's drag.

Good idea. But first, I'll see if it works okay where I zip tied it!

 

[LDJones]

Dude. RV guys don't mount stuff on the outside. That's drag.

Good idea. But first, I'll see if it works okay where I zip tied it!

RVs are so fast that one more blade antenna would only add a second or two of flight time to your average trip!

 

[Marauder]

I'd seriously consider an external antenna. It's basically another transponder blade antenna on the bottom, if I recall. Then the unit itself could be mounted anywhere out of sight.

Will a flat DME antenna work? I have one that was left on my plane after the DME was removed. Wired all the way back to the cockpit.

 

[LDJones]

Will a flat DME antenna work? I have one that was left on my plane after the DME was removed. Wired all the way back to the cockpit.

I think they are the same. The specs are in the GDL-39 manual which you can download from Garmin's website.

 

[Jay Honeck]

RVs are so fast that one more blade antenna would only add a second or two of flight time to your average trip!

I know, I'm just kidding. RV guys are incredibly anal about drag. Tom, our RV guru, was mildly upset that the builder used domed (not flush) screws to hold the fuselage-to-vertical-stabilizer fairing on. I laughed.

We hit 213 mph flying to San Antonio yesterday, and we don't have fuselage-to-main-gear fairings. Why, there's another 5 mph, just waiting to be had! lol

 

[KeyWestPhotog]

Does the android let you do hi-res screen shots as well?

Here is a shot from the other day when we were doing the flight from the movie True Lies. We were doing slow & low flight to get some photo shots.

Here is one of our recent weather. This was my window of opportunity to get to Miami.

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[Matthew]

The nexus 7 does screen shots.

 

[LDJones]

The nexus 7 does screen shots.

All later Android devices do screen shots, but I find them to be less user-friendly than the iPad. On the Nexus, it takes just the right sequence/timing of the power and volume buttons and it always takes me several tries to get it. On my Razr M smartphone, it's constantly creating screen shots I never intended! I still can't figure out how/why they're happening!

 

[Jay Honeck]

This is the Nexus 7 in the back cockpit of our RV-8A. I wired dedicated 5 volt/2 amp ship's power to it today (I love experimental aircraft!), so no more running the battery down or using a cigar lighter cord.

As you can see, it works great. The faux panel is terrific.

What a great addition to a tandem seat plane. Just two years ago, your options back there were extremely limited -- now, you can have everything in back that you've got in the panel, for pennies on the dollar.

 

[Goofy]

That IS very cool Jay. I have a little 600c Lowrance back there. Tried my Nexus again today in my Long EZ cockpit and it sure didn't look that bright and clear......wish it did. Did that improve with ship's power?

 

[Jay Honeck]

That IS very cool Jay. I have a little 600c Lowrance back there. Tried my Nexus again today in my Long EZ cockpit and it sure didn't look that bright and clear......wish it did. Did that improve with ship's power?

Sadly, no. This was filmed under an overcast.

In direct sun, it's helpful to put a visor on the Nexus 7. I can't wait till these things are truly sunlight readable.

 

[Jay Honeck]

New glitch report:

Our last three flights we have had no ADS-B radar. We have traffic, gas prices, weather (METARs) displayed -- but no radar or clouds.

I've noticed that it's reporting NO ground connection when this happens. (It does show air-to-air is working.)

Does anyone know if there's a website that shows the status of ADS-B ground stations?

 

[Badger]

I was a bit surprised to see the thread/poll about EFB: 85% check utilizing ForeFlight; and 19% Garmin Pilot. I expected something like 60-70% FF and a higher % for Pilot.

(I checked both since I currently have subscriptions to FF and GP)
http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61130&highlight=efb

 

[Jay Honeck]

I was a bit surprised to see the thread/poll about EFB: 85% check utilizing ForeFlight; and 19% Garmin Pilot. I expected something like 60-70% FF and a higher % for Pilot.

(I checked both since I currently have subscriptions to FF and GP)
http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61130&highlight=efb

Garmin was late to the party, but I have faith that they will persevere.

Of course, I bet on Lowrance once, too.... :banghead:

 

[Badger]

Garmin was late to the party, but I have faith that they will persevere.

Of course, I bet on Lowrance once, too.... :banghead:

Just think if FF would offer an Android version? That would grab another chunk of consumers.

 

[LDJones]

I was a bit surprised to see the thread/poll about EFB: 85% check utilizing ForeFlight; and 19% Garmin Pilot. I expected something like 60-70% FF and a higher % for Pilot.

(I checked both since I currently have subscriptions to FF and GP)
http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61130&highlight=efb

Survey Android users and I bet it's in the 90% range! :wink2: