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Discussion in 'Change to my Frequency...' started by Palmpilot, Mar 9, 2016.
Indy Center is located...at the Indianapolis Airport.
But I hear the prices there are to die for.
Sorry... I'll see myself out.
Might be a good idea to go look at one of those buildings.
Hardened? LA Center is a run of the mill steel building. It's just as hardened as the day care center in front of it or the outdoor air museum across the street.
The real reason they are far away is because you don't need an enroute center near a major airport (though LA Center is right next to KPMD), but you do need it in a good location to get radio and radar feeds, and good access to a workforce.
Sure, you could put Oakland Center at OAK or at Bay Farm Island, but there is no need to do that.
For even more fun, do you know where NorCal is? That they were formerly Bay TRACon will not help you. It IS in NorCal, but not anywhere near the Bay. SoCal is also nowhere near LAX.
Well my buddy works at JAX center and he gave the nuke reason for location and also said it's hardened just like in the attached article. Mark Z gave the same reason in the other thread. Made to survive a direct hit? No, but more hardened than a typical ATC facility.
Let's put it this way.
Putting an ATC facility within a mile of Skunk Works and immediately south of a major Air Force test facility to avoid being a nuclear target is more than a little stupid. Not to mention, Edwards is 30 miles away with no intervening terrain.
I can tell you Washington center is in a crappy period government building. Not hardened. It does have a heftier fence around it than most ATC facilities I've visited. You can pretty much drive right up to the Potomac Tracon. It's just outside of the town of Leesburg. When they built it, it was probably because the land was cheap and not all that far from DC. The tracon is down in an old WWII Army facility that's being redeveloped. It's just outside the SFRA boundary. I like to hold over the building when there's a delay in letting me into IAD.
Not ALL of them were located with nuclear survival in mind. Did you even read the ZLC article? Also as Mark Z said, as higher yeild weapons came along, the positioning of SOME ARTCCs outside of populated areas, no longer made much sense.
It's a fairly good bet that the USSR directly targeted all of the centers, as well as radar sites. It would disrupt air traffic across the continent and prevent a reaction. So, not being able to withstand a direct hit would be a really big hole in the strategy. The FAA could have put these underground, but didn't. Not to mention, withstanding radiation isn't all that good for command and control if an airburst takes out all the radio transmitters.
I think you're reproducing a myth, as did your buddy and that unofficial "history" article.
If you speak Mandarin.
My understanding when that happened was that rather than Bay Approach becoming NorCal Approach, the latter was created by combining several approach control facilities.
Hilliard,,,,,,out near the swamp where the roads end.
I think MEM Center is on or adjacent to Memphis.
The Potomac Tracon isn't anywhere near the Potomac. At least it is within the airspace it controls.
ARTCCs have always used remote radios due to the large areas they cover. The names come from the nearest large city. The only center that is actually in its namesake city is Albuquerque.
Chicago Center is nowhere near Chicago.
At least it's idenifier ZAU reflects the fact it is in Aurora, IL. Aurora isn't what I'd call "nowhere near" Chicago.
Likewise, Cleaveland's ZOB identifier reflects it's location in Oberlin.
Boston Center isn't even in the same state.
Washington Center (ZDC) is in Leesburg, VA (though to be fair, none of the DC airports are in DC either; ZDC is almost in the surface area for the IAD class B).
Indianapolis Center is in Indianapolis.
Anchorage Center is in Anchorage.
Miami Center is in Miami.
Honolulu Center is in Honolulu.
Memphis Center is in Memphis.
Ft. Worth Center is in Ft. Worth.
Houston Center is in Houston.
Salt Lake Center is in Salt Lake (City).
On or near McClellan Airport in Sacramento.
It's actually near Mather (KMHR). I was able to do a tour there, it was exactly what I expected. Cool to put faces to voices.
Actually, they want the ARTCC out in the boonies because they will be targeted first, and they want to save the population.
Wouldn't they just do an EMP strike and effectively kill all the electronics rather than try to hit each one?
And Kansas City Center is in Kansas.
And in Olathe at that.
So at least Houston Center is located in Houston.. As is Honolulu Center is located in Honolulu.
Florida is in New York. So is Ohio, and Mexico and Poland, just to name a few.