Yes you heard their names correctly. MUST WATCH!

Sorry - I missed that the target of the amusement was ambiguous. So some think it is funny because it shows what a bunch of untrained naive schmucks the news media employs. Others think it is funny because they believe it rightly belittles the pilots who killed several people through incredible incompetence when their professionalism was most needed. And of course there are those who think it is funny because they believe it rightly belittles a culture or race they don't approve of.

I'd be in this camp.
The accident is obviously not funny.
When a Seawind went into a Publix store here in KDED, there were three news helos hanging over for hours - one would only leave when relieved by the replacement - waiting for.. the Seawind remains to be removed from the burned up store. The fact that they were loitering only half a mile away from the departure end of the runway didn't bother them. I mean, hey, burned up airplane - that's some quality drama. It sells, you know.
So-o-o... I think that was intern's (or whoever) witty way of saying "f-off" and the media types bought it in persuit of providing the Freshest Breaking News. And that makes it hilarious ;)
 
Years ago there was a dufus who collided with a lumbering american turboprop transport aircraft in his mig, sparking an international incident and earning a darwin award in the process. Anyone remember his name?
 
After the Challenger disaster one of the jokes was that NASA had Pepsi as a sponsor because they couldn't get Seven Up. These types of humor are simply human nature. You can't expect every person to be in deep mourning over every death or mishap of another human they didn't even know. Yes, it can be construed as disrespectful but it's not horrific nor is it necessarily racist. At any given time there are people suffering and people laughing simultaneously. This prank doesn't have to be taken as laughing AT the suffering, it's just a dumb joke that shouldn't have made it onto public broadcast but it did.

Let's just live with it.
 
Years ago there was a dufus who collided with a lumbering american turboprop transport aircraft in his mig, sparking an international incident and earning a darwin award in the process. Anyone remember his name?
Actually it was a P-3 Orion, snoopy type. It's back on the line at NAS as a EP-3D with a mig with a red / painted on the fuselage side under the pilots window.

Anyway, the joke started as humor leave it at that.
 
The BBWA reporters covering a Royals game, a few days after janet reno killed all those kids at the David Coresh compound, in Waco, Texas - came up with a list songs for the David Coresh - Mount Carmel Soundtrack.

AFAIR they included:
"They Ran Calling Wildfire"
"I'm On Fire"
"I Fell In To A Burning Ring of Fire"

and

"I'm A Hunk - A Hunk - Of Burning Love"

People laugh after the intense emotions of any tragedy. People need to get over it.
 
After the Challenger disaster one of the jokes was that NASA had Pepsi as a sponsor because they couldn't get Seven Up. These types of humor are simply human nature. You can't expect every person to be in deep mourning over every death or mishap of another human they didn't even know. Yes, it can be construed as disrespectful but it's not horrific nor is it necessarily racist. At any given time there are people suffering and people laughing simultaneously. This prank doesn't have to be taken as laughing AT the suffering, it's just a dumb joke that shouldn't have made it onto public broadcast but it did.

Let's just live with it.

Very true...In LE we come across a lot of unfavorable situations, and no matter the case you will notice humor is just a way to deal with it.
 
Sorry - I missed that the target of the amusement was ambiguous. So some think it is funny because it shows what a bunch of untrained naive schmucks the news media employs. Others think it is funny because they believe it rightly belittles the pilots who killed several people through incredible incompetence when their professionalism was most needed. And of course there are those who think it is funny because they believe it rightly belittles a culture or race they don't approve of.

And some people go out of their way to be offended by things.
 
If you think carefully about most humor, it's simply really sad/stupid things taken to extremes.

Humor is a defense mechanism against really really sad stuff.

Who else remembers "NASA stands for 'Need Another Seven Astronauts'" after Challenger?

All humor is going to make someone upset.
 
If you think carefully about most humor, it's simply really sad/stupid things taken to extremes.

Humor is a defense mechanism against really really sad stuff.

Who else remembers "NASA stands for 'Need Another Seven Astronauts'" after Challenger?

All humor is going to make someone upset.

Need Another Shuttle Also
 
I'm far to the left of most here. Hell, Rush is far to the left of most here. But...

I see NOTHING racist about what happened. No more than folks having fun with with Mike Hunt or Anita Hore or Dan Defino or the whole plethora of names that the boys on Car Talk used over the years. It's a play on words, nothing more and a play on words can be had with English names, Korean names, any names.

Things aren't automatically xenophobic just because the subjects are people of another culture.
 
Haha yeah she did a good job dodging that one.
But the long U is common. I raised an eyebrow when my sister in law bought my then-7 year old a T-shirt from Phuket. I put it in the same category as the supposed Hawaiian saying of "kumana wana leiu." Now I know.
 
I now see that Asiana is apparently "offended" enough that they're considering a lawsuit for defamation over the false names. No, it couldn't have been that they had four pilots who couldn't manage to land a perfectly good airplane on a giant runway in near-perfect weather without destroying it and killing or injuring passengers, it must be the prank of false pilot names that has damaged their reputation.

Perhaps that attitude is indicative of the problem that caused the crash in the first place.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/14/asiana-tv-station-fake-pilot-names/2515541/


JKG
 
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Things take a turn for the bizarre. FedGov's finest:

NTSB Press Release

National Transportation Safety Board
Office of Public Affairs

NTSB statement on erroneous confirmation of crew names
July 12
The National Transportation Safety Board apologizes for inaccurate and offensive names that were mistakenly confirmed as those of the pilots of Asiana flight 214, which crashed at San Francisco International Airport on July 6.

Earlier today, in response to an inquiry from a media outlet, a summer intern acted outside the scope of his authority when he erroneously confirmed the names of the flight crew on the aircraft.

The NTSB does not release or confirm the names of crewmembers or people involved in transportation accidents to the media. We work hard to ensure that only appropriate factual information regarding an investigation is released and deeply regret today's incident.

Appropriate actions will be taken to ensure that such a serious error is not repeated.

Office of Public Affairs
490 L'Enfant Plaza, SW
Washington, DC 20594
(202) 314-6100
Kelly Nantel
 
I can't believe the country is laughing about a racist prank. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
THIS!

Yeah, they messed up. But to deride them by parodying prank names is unwarranted. They might as well be like the 4 fifth graders from Pekin, IL, who in 1992 lined up in front of my two daughters and myself at the Pekin Waterpark and did a rendition of "we are Siamese if you please".

Except for the fact that I would have been lynched, I'd have beaten the snot out of those kids. They of course got the attitude, from their parents.
 
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I'm far to the left of most here. Hell, Rush is far to the left of most here. But...

I see NOTHING racist about what happened. No more than folks having fun with with Mike Hunt or Anita Hore or Dan Defino or the whole plethora of names that the boys on Car Talk used over the years. It's a play on words, nothing more and a play on words can be had with English names, Korean names, any names.

Things aren't automatically xenophobic just because the subjects are people of another culture.

:yeahthat:

But what do I know. I'm just a black guy and apparently, the subject of a pretty racist electronic color code mnemonic. :rofl:
 
How they made it past "professional" writers and editors and onto a TelePrompTer, where an obviously unprepared anchor read them on the air, I'll never know. I will say that KTVU isn't alone in this type of irresponsible journalism, and the fact that they had an NTSB intern to blame for this one is no excuse. The names should have raised suspicion and been verified by multiple sources, or at multiple levels, before they were placed on the air.


JKG

I will disagree. The station didn't know they were talking to an intern, they did what they were supposed to do as a news gathering organization. They reached out to the right group, got the right contact info, asked the right questions. It's not their fault that the names were bogus, because like you, and many people I have no idea if these names are real, fake, but the station did it's level best to get the info. Of course, they share some blame for not fact checked a bit further, but the name of the game in that business is to be first. Sadly, being correct has taken second place, but the fedgov is most at blame here.
 
I will disagree. The station didn't know they were talking to an intern, they did what they were supposed to do as a news gathering organization. They reached out to the right group, got the right contact info, asked the right questions. It's not their fault that the names were bogus, because like you, and many people I have no idea if these names are real, fake, but the station did it's level best to get the info. Of course, they share some blame for not fact checked a bit further, but the name of the game in that business is to be first. Sadly, being correct has taken second place, but the fedgov is most at blame here.

"some blame"????

I figure the intern felt the TV Station couldn't possibly that dumb to believe those names could be accurate, so he/she must have felt it was a prank call. If it were me my first response to the TV Station would have been "YHGTBSM, who is this really?"

Cheers
 
"some blame"????

I figure the intern felt the TV Station couldn't possibly that dumb to believe those names could be accurate, so he/she must have felt it was a prank call. If it were me my first response to the TV Station would have been "YHGTBSM, who is this really?"

Cheers

It was California... Those people will believe ANYTHING..:yes::rolleyes:..

Why do you think they are 58 BILLION in debt..:dunno::(
 
I will disagree. The station didn't know they were talking to an intern, they did what they were supposed to do as a news gathering organization. They reached out to the right group, got the right contact info, asked the right questions. It's not their fault that the names were bogus, because like you, and many people I have no idea if these names are real, fake, but the station did it's level best to get the info. Of course, they share some blame for not fact checked a bit further, but the name of the game in that business is to be first. Sadly, being correct has taken second place, but the fedgov is most at blame here.

I don't know much about Korean names, but those particular names raised suspicion with me even before I heard the news clip. A least two broadcast professionals should have seen them before they aired, so that's twice as many eyes as I was able to provide, and I'm not used to gathering, writing, or reporting news. It's far more likely, in my opinion, that they rushed them onto the air even if they did have suspicions that the names were incorrect, because they had cover from a NTSB contact. Journalists are supposed to gather and report on verified facts, not push something out that SHOULD raise suspicion just because their single source "verified" the information. Or maybe that's just the difference between journalism and responsible journalism.

That being said, everyone makes mistakes. However, the apology that KTVU aired when they realized they had been pranked appeared to deflect the blame entirely onto the NTSB, when it was KTVU that decided to write and air the story. I honestly think that's what everyone is laughing about here--the shoddy journalism, not the crash, the pilots, or the fake names.


JKG
 
Good PC cover, we are laughing at the Journalists not the racist joke.
 
"some blame"????

I figure the intern felt the TV Station couldn't possibly that dumb to believe those names could be accurate, so he/she must have felt it was a prank call. If it were me my first response to the TV Station would have been "YHGTBSM, who is this really?"

Cheers

Yes, you read that correctly.

As for your question - "Who is this really?", the answer came back: "This is John Smith from the NTSB."

What are they going to do. They reported what they got from the NTSB. The alternative is to report that they got the names from the NTSB, but aren't going to share that info with the public. I don't have the answers, but in this case, the station didn't create the news, they just reported what was fed to them. Sure, I already said they should have been more critical. At first, I was laughing my butt off just like all of us. Now - it's not quite as funny with a bit more background.
 
Need Another Shuttle Also

After Columbia it became:

Need Another Shuttle Again . . . .

Going back to the KTVU event - The names were funny, they reflected on the nature of the tragedy and exactly why it happened. They reflected certainly the reactions of the pilots whether they admit it to themselves or not.

The over-reaction, once again, has resulted from an utter lack of people wanting to actually address the reality of an ATP hamburgering an approach. It is much easier to make a big deal about Ho Lee Fuk or Sum Ting Wong and carry-on about racism or law suits etc etc etc.

It does not matter that:
a) the ILS was off
b) the glideslope was missing
c) the computer was off
d) the autothrottle was misprogrammed
e) any one of 1000 excuses we have heard -

The fact remains that a pilot type-rated in multiple heavy transport aircraft screwed up an approach for whatever reason. Multiple rated pilots failed to notice and speak up about an airplane too low and too slow and headed for certain doom. It seems like the explanation is that they started out high and he intentionally created a high sink rate low speed condition in order to adjust the approach and for some reason forgot about it - and came up short.

You want to know a key reason for this accident? One that will get missed completely by the press and only looked at with a pale eye by everyone else?

Proficiency.

Lets say you get 1100 hours a year as a pilot for an Trans Pac, Trans-Atlantic or do NYC/DC/MIA to South America - You have 10 hours legs. You get 4 trips a month about. That is 8 take offs and landings for that crew per month. Thus - you get 4 take offs and 4 landings a month.

You take off using A/T and once you get the gear up you go to AP. You stay in AP, changing headings and courses using the AP because you HAVE TO, and then program the approach to hit the STAR altitudes and speeds and arrive at the FAF solely in relation to the autopilot. Period.

You may, in one of those monthly approaches, actually do a visual approach to landing and not merely click off the AP when you reach the threshold and 'land' the airplane with the autobrakes on and the spoilers on auto deploy . . . .

Sorry - you get 100 hours a month and you get ZERO real proficiency in anything except button pushing and knob turning. I dare say that the average airline pilot flying transoceanic routes probably feels anxiety at the thought of a true visual approach. Not the Southwest guy, or the pilot who gets 16 days of flying in a month with 6 legs a day, or the freight dog who flies 22 days a month in all sorts of weather - I'm talking the aviator who last did that type of flying before the GPS satellites were even launched.

Now I know I'm gonna get 100 flames from guys who will disagree with that - but - explain to us then how you maintain proficiency? You might have 10,000 landings but when 9500 of them were 6 years or more ago . . . . explain to us how you have maintained proficiency in the visual approach and energy management of a 250,000# airplane to a 9000' runway . . . .
 
Good PC cover, we are laughing at the Journalists not the racist joke.

Even if we assume that the humor is somehow about the pilots rather than a legitimate news station broadcasting obviously bogus names, I'm not sure that I can find much, if any, racism in the prank. The reality is that the pilots in question crashed an airliner full of passengers likely due to their own incompetence, not their race, and the message delivered by the fake names appears to target that reality and nothing more. I will also mention that people of all ethnic backgrounds are routinely subjected to name calling and other perhaps insensitive remarks, where race is not the cause nor a factor in the remarks. An inappropriate or insensitive remark isn't racist simply because the target isn't a white American. This situation seems no different.

Then again, I don't go through life allowing myself to be victimized by things that I can't control. Attempting to project guilt onto others to silence opinions that you may not like is reprehensible. Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names can never hurt me. Get over it, pull up your pants, and focus on making an actual productive contribution to the world rather than attempting to be a proxy for someone else's sensitivity.


JKG
 
Would the country have laughed the way it did if it joke names git pinned on an all black or all female crew? I really don't care about some aggrieved clas, just pointing out the hypocrisy of the nation. And the hamster wheel spinning needed so folks can laugh at a racist joke then go on believing they ain't like those crude bigots that laugh at racist jokes. If you are going to laugh at racist jokes at least be man enough to admit racist jokes can be funny and most sterotypes are based on observed truths.
Even if we assume that the humor is somehow about the pilots rather than a legitimate news station broadcasting obviously bogus names, I'm not sure that I can find much, if any, racism in the prank. The reality is that the pilots in question crashed an airliner full of passengers likely due to their own incompetence, not their race, and the message delivered by the fake names appears to target that reality and nothing more. I will also mention that people of all ethnic backgrounds are routinely subjected to name calling and other perhaps insensitive remarks, where race is not the cause nor a factor in the remarks. An inappropriate or insensitive remark isn't racist simply because the target isn't a white American. This situation seems no different.

Then again, I don't go through life allowing myself to be victimized by things that I can't control. Attempting to project guilt onto others to silence opinions that you may not like is reprehensible. Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names can never hurt me. Get over it, pull up your pants, and focus on making an actual productive contribution to the world rather than attempting to be a proxy for someone else's sensitivity.


JKG
 
This has got to be one of the best pranks of all time.

My hat is off to whomever is responsible.

This was a piece of comic genius!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 
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