Woman kicked off of a flight

[MAKG1]

Allergies are not protected by ADA. The answer is so easy even a hotelier can answer.

Hmm, what about asthma?

COPD?

Anaphylaxis?

All of those can be triggered by allergies.

 

[weilke]

If you want a disability placard to park your car up front, there is a process you have to go through to obtain the placard. It shouldn't be any different for service dogs. No genuinely disabled person with a trained service dog would have any difficulty obtaining the paperwork, the organization that trains the dog would probably get it for them.

 

[pilot_dude]

Hmm, what about asthma?

COPD?

Anaphylaxis?

All of those can be triggered by allergies.

I am uncertain if either of those are covered via ADA. Not saying they're not, just don't know and it's too early for me to think that hard

 

[pilot_dude]

If you want a disability placard to park your car up front, there is a process you have to go through to obtain the placard. It shouldn't be any different for service dogs. No genuinely disabled person with a trained service dog would have any difficulty obtaining the paperwork, the organization that trains the dog would probably get it for them.

Agree in theory. However, not all service dogs are trained via an organization. My primary service dog was professionally trained while our back up dog was trained at the house using the exact methodology. Both are suitable for the task but only one was "professionally" trained.

 

[denverpilot]

Agree in theory. However, not all service dogs are trained via an organization. My primary service dog was professionally trained while our back up dog was trained at the house using the exact methodology. Both are suitable for the task but only one was "professionally" trained.

The training need not be the requirement for "certification".

Just have a professional see the dog in action, as a test, and sign a paper saying they agree the dog is trained to do the job.

Frankly we all know that's just going to create a list of "professionals" without morals who'll sign off on anything for $150, just like Docs that hand out medical marijuana cards for a price...

But at least, like most bureaucracies, it gives a hint that the person really needs the animal, and makes the really dumb people think that they should probably play by the rules, or they'll get caught and go to "fake service dog jail" or have a fine or something.

Something to make the public at least believe that most folks who have a dog with them didn't just slap a "service dog" vest on it and head for the mall. LOL.

It's a Catch 22 for those of us who would love it if adults didn't do stupid stuff like that, but know they will... And those of us who know that an "accredited dog tester" license will just be a revenue generator and the system to track them will certainly cost more than the licensing fee brings in.

No good solution.

 

[Lindberg]

Allergies are not protected by ADA. The answer is so easy even a hotelier can answer.

Neither is diabetes.

ETA: Oh wow, I'm wrong. The EEOC has determined that diabetics ate "disabled" under the ADA because they are substantially limited in the major life activity of "endocrine function." What a bunch of nonsense. We truly are regulating everything into meaninglessness.

 

[strangebird]

You must be a Jared clone

 

[Jay Honeck]

What a bunch of nonsense. We truly are regulating everything into meaninglessness.

Well put.

If I were truly disabled -- and I expect to get there, someday, if I live long enough -- I would be ashamed of what's happening in America.

I remember when seeing a handicapped sticker on a car MEANT something. We treated the occupants with respect and deferrence, knowing that, there but for the grace of God, could go I.

Now? More often than not, it's a morbidly obese 40-something who simply buffeted their way to immobility. The respect that once went with that sticker is gone, and that is a direct result of healthy people abusing the system for personal gain.

 

[JGoodish]

The big problem with the ADA, like so many laws these days, is that it grants certain people "rights" at the expense of other people. The reality is that there are multiple things that all of us can't do, or can't do well, but if one of those things (or its possible cause) happens to be covered by the ADA, an affected person all of a sudden has the "right" to demand that others accommodate his disability--and not only that, but the government quite often dictates how that disability must be accommodated, right down to specific materials and measurements.

It's one thing to argue for general "public accommodation" mandates, but it's quite another to, for example, dictate that every hotel operator provide or install a chair lift for the swimming pool, the pool being only incidental to the purpose and service which the business offers. Unfortunately, once laws like the ADA are passed and regulatory agencies become responsible for their implementation and enforcement, there are no practical limits on such mandates.

No doubt that service dogs serve a wonderful purpose, but there is a difference between someone who REQUIRES a service dog and someone who perhaps just legitimately BENEFITS from one. While the distinction may not seem to matter in most cases, it matters a great deal when a mandate for accommodation is placed on someone else.

The fact that some in society and government are trying to force equal outcomes for all perceived "inequality" is destroying our society and our country.


JKG

 

[Matthew]

Years ago a buddy moved back to his hometown and bought the local movie theater. He always thought it would be cool to own one, so he did. It needed a lot of work and remodeling, especially the bathrooms. Once he found out that as soon as he touched the bathrooms he would have to meet ADA requirements and the cost would bankrupt him, he figured people would just have to live with them as is. I don't know whatever came of it, hopefully he had fun while it lasted.

I know others, like Jay, have spent many thousands of dollars on upgrades. Sometimes it's because of common courtesy and "doing the right thing", sometimes it's because of the threat of a lawsuit from someone who just wants to cash in on the ADA lottery.

 

[Henning]

I think it's funny that there are so many restrictions on dogs here. Europe you're perfectly welcome to bring your dog into restaurants or where ever. There is no related disease problem in evidence there. You can pack your pistol here, but you gotta leave your pooch at home.

 

[N801BH]

Well put.

If I were truly disabled -- and I expect to get there, someday, if I live long enough -- I would be ashamed of what's happening in America.

I remember when seeing a handicapped sticker on a car MEANT something. We treated the occupants with respect and deferrence, knowing that, there but for the grace of God, could go I.

Now? More often than not, it's a morbidly obese 40-something who simply buffeted their way to immobility. The respect that once went with that sticker is gone, and that is a direct result of healthy people abusing the system for personal gain.

+1.........