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Old news, Scott, I saw that on xkcd days ago.

Still funny. :)
 
What was old will be new again?

Are they holding off on SP2 in hopes that W7 will fix everything????
 
flyersfan31 said:
What was old will be new again?

Are they holding off on SP2 in hopes that W7 will fix everything????
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A new program from Microsoft fixing everything is about as rational a thought as putting water in your fuel tanks to save money on gas. Then again, when was the last time that Microsoft was known for rational thought? ;)

I've not even used Vista. Simple solution: Get a Mac. :D
 
Ted DuPuis said:
Old news, Scott, I saw that on xkcd days ago.

Still funny. :)
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Heck, I posted it here days ago! :yes:

Of course, when I saw the thread title I thought I was gonna have to post it in this thread too, but Scott beat me to it.
 
flyersfan31 said:
Are they holding off on SP2 in hopes that W7 will fix everything????
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Yes and no. Basically, Vista has been such a dud with the bread and butter (large enterprises), that MS has fast-tracked W7 to production and shipping.

Cheers,

-Andrew
 
astanley said:
Yes and no. Basically, Vista has been such a dud with the bread and butter (large enterprises), that MS has fast-tracked W7 to production and shipping.
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So they will fix "We aren't going to switch to an OS that doesn't run on our hardware and doesn't run our applications." by "BUT WAIT! We'll have another NEW OS that will have the same issues but different name!"
 
mikea said:
So they will fix "We aren't going to switch to an OS that doesn't run on our hardware and doesn't run our applications." by "BUT WAIT! We'll have another NEW OS that will have the same issues but different name!"
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I think the idea is that by the time Windows 7 is out, they'll be interested in new hardware and applications.

FWIW, one of the bigger problems with Vista adoption in the enterprise space is that it just came out too soon. When it was released, there were still plenty of corporations who were just starting their NT/2000 --> XP migration (which, BTW, is a much bigger headache than XP --> Vista) so it shouldn't really come as a surprise that they didn't snatch it up overnight.
 
ReverendSlappy said:
I think the idea is that by the time Windows 7 is out, they'll be interested in new hardware and applications.

FWIW, one of the bigger problems with Vista adoption in the enterprise space is that it just came out too soon. When it was released, there were still plenty of corporations who were just starting their NT/2000 --> XP migration (which, BTW, is a much bigger headache than XP --> Vista) so it shouldn't really come as a surprise that they didn't snatch it up overnight.
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Are you ****tin me??? JUST starting NT/2000 migration???

I thought 2000 had been abandoned many moons ago. Why is it that I thought 2000 was a dead-end?
 
flyersfan31 said:
Are you ****tin me??? JUST starting NT/2000 migration???

I thought 2000 had been abandoned many moons ago. Why is it that I thought 2000 was a dead-end?
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Oh yeah... Last place I worked was in the thick of their XP migration when I left in the summer of '06. At that point, there were entire business units that hadn't even started and if I recall correctly, weren't even scheduled. I'm not positive, but if I had to guess, I'd say there are still some using NT.

And from what I'm able to gather, that place was toward the front-ish end of the curve. Give most decision makers at traditional companies the option to not spend a technology dime and they'll take it every time.
 
I had XP installed on my machine when I started here (late summer 2006) and it was not my impression that it was a new transfer at the time. However, I'm still using IE6.

A number of businesses (especially larger ones) with security concerns end up taking a long while to adopt the newest software versions. I suspect that, especially given Microsoft's reputation for providing security sealed as tight as a colander, it is not unreasonable for IT departments to want to test for potential security issues.
 
Ted DuPuis said:
I had XP installed on my machine when I started here (late summer 2006) and it was not my impression that it was a new transfer at the time. However, I'm still using IE6.

A number of businesses (especially larger ones) with security concerns end up taking a long while to adopt the newest software versions. I suspect that, especially given Microsoft's reputation for providing security sealed as tight as a colander, it is not unreasonable for IT departments to want to test for potential security issues.
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There's a definite "wait for Service Pack 1, then start to think about implementing" mentality out there. Whether that's really deserved or not is a matter for another debate, but it's definitely been a factor in Vista adoption.
 
Ted DuPuis said:
A new program from Microsoft fixing everything is about as rational a thought as putting water in your fuel tanks to save money on gas. Then again, when was the last time that Microsoft was known for rational thought? ;)

I've not even used Vista. Simple solution: Get a Mac. :D
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Just another data-point: We've been running Vista on six machines at the hotel since early '08. Never a burp, fart, or hiccup. All six have run flawlessly -- which is more than I can say for my XP machines.
 
Jay Honeck said:
Just another data-point: We've been running Vista on six machines at the hotel since early '08. Never a burp, fart, or hiccup. All six have run flawlessly -- which is more than I can say for my XP machines.
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Actually, my XP machines that I've had over the past... 6-7 years or so have run well, except for the rare blue screen of death (happens a couple times a year), and the fact that they get bogged down and very slow with age. I've had some hardware issues now and again, but that's not the operating system's fault. I've not run a Vista machine.

The Macs? Now they just run great, and I'm happy.
 
Ted DuPuis said:
I had XP installed on my machine when I started here (late summer 2006) and it was not my impression that it was a new transfer at the time. However, I'm still using IE6.

A number of businesses (especially larger ones) with security concerns end up taking a long while to adopt the newest software versions. I suspect that, especially given Microsoft's reputation for providing security sealed as tight as a colander, it is not unreasonable for IT departments to want to test for potential security issues.
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It's the opposite, one scam that Microsoft uses effectively is "support sunset" meaning they won't fix the newly found security flaws - ever. Windows XP was supposed to hit that last summer until the corporations read the riot act to them.

But sleep well knowing that prior Windows versions, like Windows 95 and Windows 98 and Windows NT and 2000 are unsupported. It's like there aren't still aren't several million of those on the net.
 
Jay Honeck said:
Just another data-point: We've been running Vista on six machines at the hotel since early '08. Never a burp, fart, or hiccup. All six have run flawlessly -- which is more than I can say for my XP machines.
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My experience is somewhat the opposite... My XP machines were always virtually completely flawless. The rare, rare random BSOD here and there but that's pretty much it. I bet if I had paid attention, I could probably count on one hand the number of BSODs I had on my former home machine which I ran for... 4ish years?

Vista has been very stable for me, but I have had more issues than I had with XP. Not very many problems at all, but compared to XP's shining record with me, even the tiniest uptick is noticeable. And (I'm guessing there's an easy fix that I haven't bothered to look for to this point) it's all with one particular function: It just does not like to wake up from hibernating. I'd say that it hangs a good 30% of the time.

Also, see if you can get yours to do this: Put the computer to sleep, unplug a USB device and plug it back in in a different port. Wake it back up, bang, BSOD every time (for me anyway).
 
Still running XP at work. IT will not use Vista, they are waiting for Windows 7.

I have machines running XP and Vista at home. Vista has been rock solid. It was a pain when I built the first Vista machine 2 years ago as software support for some of my peripherals wasn't ready. Epson didn't have a Vista application for my scanner/printer and Intel didn't have a Vista backup client for my network storage system. That has only been partially resolved. They have one now, but it loses track of the backup share when the machine re-boots. And what was the purpose of the backup in the first place? Back to a DOS .bat file that does the backup for me (quite well, too). But system crashes? My old 1 GHz PIII system running XP spontaneously re-boots now and then, the Vista machine never does. Now, the XP reboots could be as a result of an OS update from MS, but the ones that drop into diskscan first probably aren't.
 
Ghery said:
It was a pain when I built the first Vista machine 2 years ago as software support for some of my peripherals wasn't ready. Epson didn't have a Vista application for my scanner/printer and Intel didn't have a Vista backup client for my network storage system. That has only been partially resolved.
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Which makes one wonder if the vendors will be ready with stable Windows 7 drivers... or will repeat this experience all over again?
 
TangoWhiskey said:
Which makes one wonder if the vendors will be ready with stable Windows 7 drivers... or will repeat this experience all over again?
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I think I heard David Pogue say that Win7 is supposed to be able to use Vista drivers.
 
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