What's it like to work for FlightSafety as an instructor?

captain 10eels

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Considering applying to FSI but wonder what it's now like to work for them? Interested in real pay, benefits information as the
job boards seem to vary a great deal.
 
If you're flying with me during recurrent, I'm sure it's a pleasure!

Can't give you any real experience, but I will say most of the FSI instructors I've met seem to really like their job. Of course, for many, it's a post-medical-problem or post-mandatory-retirement-age job, so that may bias the opinions some.
 
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Considering applying to FSI but wonder what it's now like to work for them? Interested in real pay, benefits information as the
job boards seem to vary a great deal.
This is general statements, not FSI specific, though they're informed also by people who have worked for FSI. I've looked into the job for post-mil retirement. Pay these days hovers in the mid-high XXs to low 1XXs for new hires, caps mid 1XXs before overtime. Mostly folks who lost medical or post-retirement type of thing. There are some who do it for lack of desire of the airline travel schedules (I would belong to that outlier demographic if I go that route, even though I can still hold a class I).

Schedules depend a LOT on the equipment in question, so not all shops are going to have the same outlook. Airline-affiliated programs run almost 24 hours and pay the higher end of the range, but makes the schedules rather random and more airline seniority feeling than the turboprop/VLJ training shops; certainly much less "banker hours" than usually advertised for a ground-only job. Classroom instructors pays less but has more pedestrian hours.

It's an honest job, and one of the few options people with instructor backgrounds can get paid closer to street parity, compared to disparity in flying-occupations compensation between major 121 and everybody else. I would say their pay is better than our equivalent job in the civilian DOD side, but our hours are better (no vampire sims, block times are only 3 hours, 3 gos a day.... ez bake oven work). Retirement is weak from where I sit, 401k with poor matching, DOD side we get FERS, though I recognize the irony of writing this in the middle of a govt shutdown where said workers are not getting a paycheck.

It's not for everyone; running consoles becomes mindless, though I haven't found it more tedious than flying crew, but that's my bias/prerogative. I do enjoy the instruction aspect of it, plus the lack of evaluation and medical sword of damocles. All that said, all but one of my sources have got itchy and bounced for higher paying flying jobs. The guy I spoke with who stayed just can't hold a medical.

I think it's a good option for instructors who don't want to terminal/hotel-schlep/commute. Similar to EMS jobs, if you can get lucky and find one where you want or can stand to live, it's a great niche for middle of the road money.

Welcome to POA btw.
 
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Great comprehensive reply, Hindsight2020 and Russr I appreciate your taking the time to reply. I am still in the formative stages of deciding
whether I want to move and there are certainly a lot of pieces that have to fit. I'm no stranger to long hours and goofy schedules so I guess I want to find out expected starting pay, do they cover relocation expenses and how is their health insurance?
 
Are you looking for the stepping stone, 2 years or so? It may be different if going long term.
 
are you a young low-time job aspirant, or a middle aged second career or post retirement type? Sorry if it seems irrevelant, it absolutely is of utmost relevance. These jobs are not treated as career destinations for most people, for reasons I have expanded on before but will not re-litigate on here in the interest of brevity.
 
Well, sigh, I guess I am "post retirement" although have always felt retirees were quitters but they have sugar-coated retirement and
soft-soaped us into believing it is some sort of Utopian wonderland, which it isn't. With 18,000 hours, 121 captain and 3 corporate jet av-mgr
gigs to my credit there is no way I feel it is time to retire. Unless I relocate to one of the more progressive countries that do not impose an arbitrary
retirement age on pilots I guess I need to be open to any and all opportunities. So to answer your question, yes, I guess anything I consider is
a "career" choice now. I am discovering that my profession treats pilots like we're 150 years old, which is asinine because I am in better shape now than I was when I was 40.
 
Well, sigh, I guess I am "post retirement" although have always felt retirees were quitters but they have sugar-coated retirement and
soft-soaped us into believing it is some sort of Utopian wonderland, which it isn't. With 18,000 hours, 121 captain and 3 corporate jet av-mgr
gigs to my credit there is no way I feel it is time to retire. Unless I relocate to one of the more progressive countries that do not impose an arbitrary
retirement age on pilots I guess I need to be open to any and all opportunities. So to answer your question, yes, I guess anything I consider is
a "career" choice now. I am discovering that my profession treats pilots like we're 150 years old, which is asinine because I am in better shape now than I was when I was 40.


Jest aside, I just want to clarify my comments had zero to do with whatever 121 mando retirement non-sequitur you're bringing up. Respectfully, I do think you're overstating your plight: you could go work for part 91/91k/135 post age-65 if you wanted to. I do understand it can be frustrating to lose the 121 seniority benefits to do the FMS-punching thing for less money and harder schedules. Be that as it may, I just want to reiterate that ground jobs are not the only option available to you.

As to the commentary on retirees, I certainly can't relate to your views on it. I do find the 'quitter' epithet condescending to a fault. But I'll digress in the interest of keeping it cordial.

With your resume, I'm sure you'll find a flying job to keep you engaged. You're certainly not grounded.
 
Considering applying to FSI but wonder what it's now like to work for them? Interested in real pay, benefits information as the
job boards seem to vary a great deal.

It really depends on several factors, the first being what part of the country are you looking in?

The next factor is which airframe they put you on. As you know, some are very busy while others not so much.

I currently know a few guys working for FS. One is retired SWA and doesn’t like it. Another is a former corporate guy and he really likes it (he’s a program manager). Then another is a retired DL/NWA former F16 retired guy, he enjoys it but is not fond of the schedule (he’s on a busy airframe).

The guys at CAE have mixed reviews. I know a few there as well.

My suggestion is to go to the website, put the app in and go to the interview. Be ready to ask a lot of questions.

Best of luck.
 
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