That's what I've always been told, and it makes sense, but a few years back an A&P buddy mentioned that today's gyros have stops to prevent the tumbling. I'm not a mechanic so I don't know any better.![]()
That's what I've always been told, and it makes sense, but a few years back an A&P buddy mentioned that today's gyros have stops to prevent the tumbling. I'm not a mechanic so I don't know any better.![]()
Hitting the stops causes the same forces. Modern gyros are solid state and cannot tumble.
Ah. Guess I still owe my old mechanic an apology for wearing out the gyros all the time!
Also, I'm obviously so far removed from modern GA that when I said 'today's gyros' I wasn't even thinking of AHRS. Heh!
Hello,
I was speaking to a few experienced pilots online about spins and I noticed all of them didn't say the same thing, (I was thinking they would). They all came up with different concepts to recover from a spin.
What would you do if you were in a spin?, (Except soil your clothes)
This is generally correct for FAA certified light single engine aircraft, but as you get into more complex aircraft you will find that it is absolutely not the case. Depending on the aircraft and loading you may want to drop the outside aileron, or apply full power on the outside engine (if you have one), or you may even want to keep the stick all the way back until the rotation stops in order to stop the elevators from destabilizing the airflow around your rudder.
So there is one generally accepted and commonly used technique, but depending on your aircraft that technique may significantly change.
Funny but that was my reaction too.I get a kick out the guys that say, "recover."


I think you actually have a valid point with our engines on the last, but in a pattern spin entry you'll likely already be very low power so getting rotation stopped if immediately aware of what is happening and step on the other rudder, won't be a major issue. If you are at high power, yes, retard the throttle to stop rotation, but by then you're likely so far gone as to be unsalvageable from pattern altitude anyway.
What I wasn't seeing anyone address is coming back into power, if you are low you need to as soon as possible to arrest your sink.
I think this is academic for most pilots, but yes it's very true that you can pull harder and recover with less altitude loss by applying power ASAP. Most airplanes will also stop the spin rotation more quickly with added power than without, but this is not a good technique to teach as emergency spin recovery technique. As far as minimum altitude loss goes, you can even take it a step further and say that you might be better off letting the spin continue to 3/4 of a turn than trying to recover immediately in the first 1/4 turn. Applying recovery inputs at 1/4 turn will have you stopping after about 1/2 turn, which puts you in the steepest on-your-back attitude, which requires the most amount of pitch change to return to level flight. Recovering such that a full rotation is done will put the airplane at the most nose high attitude with the least amount of pitch up required to return to level flight. I've done 1/2-turn and 1-turn spins in the Cub and Pitts trying to recovery each with minimal altitude loss, and the 1-turn spin recovered with the least altitude loss for both. You can recover a 1-turn spin in the Cub in about 350 ft.
Again, all this is mostly academic since pilots who are spinning accidentally in the pattern are unlikely to have the skill or muscle memory to recover so quickly or have the presence of mind to monitor the degree of rotation. I think those who have the skills are not going to go around with much of a chance of spinning in the pattern accidentally. I think everyone should get spin training, but I do not think it's practical to mandate it for PPL training, since there are too few truly qualified instructors and suitable airplanes to make this happen across the board. For dedicated acro/spin instructors, spin training is very safe.
Hello,
I was speaking to a few experienced pilots online about spins and I noticed all of them didn't say the same thing, (I was thinking they would). They all came up with different concepts to recover from a spin.
What would you do if you were in a spin?, (Except soil your clothes)
After recovery
Pull up to altitude, go spin the other way.
Apply "Yippie!" as approptiate

Most, yes; all, no. Back to what I said -- know before you go.At altitude in most piston singles... put my hands in my lap and feet on the floor and wait for the aircraft to fix my mistake.
Somebody in this thread said "Step on the high wing"
I like this. Easy to remember.
Thanks.

Hello,
I was speaking to a few experienced pilots online about spins and I noticed all of them didn't say the same thing, (I was thinking they would). They all came up with different concepts to recover from a spin.
What would you do if you were in a spin?, (Except soil your clothes)
After recovery
Pull up to altitude, go spin the other way.
Apply "Yippie!" as approptiate
I was speaking to a few experienced pilots online about spins and I noticed all of them didn't say the same thing
Curl up into the fetal position (which neatly removed both my hands and feet from the controls) cry for ten seconds, and then look out to see that my aircraft (*) had neatly recovered all by itself.
(*) Standard certificated aircraft with known stall characteristics loaded in accordance with the manufacturer's weight and balance instructions.
(*/) [if NOT (*)] I'd curl up into a tight fetal position and kiss my ass goodbye.
Jim
You guys are making this way too complicated. I'd just push the "recover" button.
Please explain the "different ways" others mentioned to recover. I'm fascinated!
Please look at previous posts and you will see the different ways!
Most, yes; all, no. Back to what I said -- know before you go.