What Made Roy Hallady Fly -Sports Illustrated article

Discussion in 'Flight Following' started by Possum, Jul 19, 2019.

  1. Possum

    Possum Pre-takeoff checklist

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2014
    Messages:
    182
    Location:
    South Carolina
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Frank
  2. woodchucker

    woodchucker Cleared for Takeoff

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2014
    Messages:
    1,090
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    woodchucker
    I enjoy a good yarn now and then, but that article was written by a 10-year-old ... or so it felt. Actually it read more like the “author” inserted maybe 200 words into a random generator to output 5000 words in a barely cohesive format. :rolleyes:
     
    ETres likes this.
  3. fasteddie

    fasteddie Filing Flight Plan

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2017
    Messages:
    21
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Fasteddie
    Glad you said that, thought I was the only one who was having issues.

    Was really interested in the story (his Dad restored a T-33 jet, cool!). But that writing was painful.
     
  4. Half Fast

    Half Fast En-Route

    Joined:
    May 7, 2016
    Messages:
    3,653
    Location:
    Central Florida
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Half Fast
    I suspect that what made Roy Hallady fly was the smorgasbord of drugs in his system. That entire wordy article is probably best summed up in one paragraph:

    Sorry, but I just don't feel very sympathetic.
     
  5. kell490

    kell490 Filing Flight Plan

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2018
    Messages:
    20
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Kelly
    How did he pass a medical getting prescriptions for all those drugs?
     
  6. Palmpilot

    Palmpilot Touchdown! Greaser!

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2007
    Messages:
    16,170
    Location:
    PUDBY
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Richard Palm
    Did he have a medical? The Icon is an LSA, so no medical would have been required (unless his last application for a medical was denied).
     
  7. Half Fast

    Half Fast En-Route

    Joined:
    May 7, 2016
    Messages:
    3,653
    Location:
    Central Florida
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Half Fast

    Going from my aging memory but I believe he did have a medical. He could have obtained prescriptions after the application or he could have had an SI or he could have obtained the drugs without a prescription.
     
  8. NealRomeoGolf

    NealRomeoGolf Cleared for Takeoff

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2016
    Messages:
    1,232
    Location:
    Illinois / Germany
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    NRG
    Couldn't he have just lied on the application? Does the FAA have the ability (or resources) to do prescription checks on people?
     
  9. weilke

    weilke Touchdown! Greaser! PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2010
    Messages:
    12,941
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    weilke
    As to what made him fly, the lyrics of the Greatful Deads 'Casey Jones' come to mind.
     
  10. Unit74

    Unit74 Final Approach

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2014
    Messages:
    6,245
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Unit74
    Did he actually need one? He was flying sport, que no?
     
  11. mryan75

    mryan75 Line Up and Wait

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2014
    Messages:
    859
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    mryan75
    He also owned and flew a Grand Caravan. Not only did Harry Leroy Halladay III have a medical certificate, he had a first class medical certificate. My guess is he lied.

    https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/Main.aspx
     
  12. Palmpilot

    Palmpilot Touchdown! Greaser!

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2007
    Messages:
    16,170
    Location:
    PUDBY
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Richard Palm
    Maybe he started using the drugs after he saw the AME.
     
  13. Lachlan

    Lachlan En-Route

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2015
    Messages:
    3,025
    Location:
    North Creek, NY
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Lachlan
    Man, his dad has one vicious hair helmet. Dude...
     
  14. IK04

    IK04 Cleared for Takeoff

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2018
    Messages:
    1,180
    Location:
    Copperas Cove, Texas
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    LNXGUY
    Never heard of this guy, but it sure seems that it would have been better if this horrible piece had never been written.

    If this sports "icon" was idolized by kids and baseball junkies, they didn't need to know about his mental illness and drug dependency...

    More junk "journalism..."
     
  15. mryan75

    mryan75 Line Up and Wait

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2014
    Messages:
    859
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    mryan75
    That would be quite a pile of drugs to all of the sudden start on after getting your first class.
     
  16. SkyDog58

    SkyDog58 Ejection Handle Pulled PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2015
    Messages:
    13,538
    Location:
    My own special place.
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Canis Non Grata
    If it’s the truth, no reason they shouldn’t know. An icon, role model, hero, etc. should be known to those that choose to idolize him warts and all. Being good at throwing or hitting a ball is by itself no reason anyone should be idolized.
     
    Brad Smith and Omalley1537 like this.
  17. Palmpilot

    Palmpilot Touchdown! Greaser!

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2007
    Messages:
    16,170
    Location:
    PUDBY
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Richard Palm
    I agree. Putting famous people on a pedestal is a popular trend. It can have unfortunate consequences.
     
    Tantalum likes this.
  18. tmyers

    tmyers En-Route

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2012
    Messages:
    4,292
    Location:
    Kettering, OH
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Tim Myers
    I agree, that was a painful read. Finally had to give up on it.

    Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk
     
  19. EdFred

    EdFred Touchdown! Greaser! PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2005
    Messages:
    23,184
    Location:
    Michigan
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Ed Frederick
    Do some of you guys never read the news, ever?

    8x All Star, 2 Cy Youngs, first pitcher to ever toss a perfect game and no hitter in the same season, only the 2nd person to toss a no hitter in the post season...

    Probably never heard of Nolan Ryan or Don Larsen either.
     
    ETres and tjfelles like this.
  20. Tantalum

    Tantalum En-Route

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2017
    Messages:
    3,892
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    San_Diego_Pilot
    The world is full of liars.
     
  21. Tantalum

    Tantalum En-Route

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2017
    Messages:
    3,892
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    San_Diego_Pilot
    I similarly lacked empathy when the Fast and the Furious guy died after he wrapped himself around a tree driving not just illegally, but quite recklessly on a public road. It's tragic for sure, but in a Shakespearean sense, not in a "poor guy" sense
     
    SkyDog58 likes this.
  22. SkyDog58

    SkyDog58 Ejection Handle Pulled PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2015
    Messages:
    13,538
    Location:
    My own special place.
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Canis Non Grata
    Never heard of Halladay until he ruined a perfectly good airplane and caused many folks to look askance at GA. So I have little regard for him. And I heard of him via the news so yeah, I read the news just not the sports section.

    As to Ryan and Larsen, I have heard of them. They were famed players when I was young and impressionable and believed that ballplayers were special. I long ago grew out of that nonsense.
     
  23. IK04

    IK04 Cleared for Takeoff

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2018
    Messages:
    1,180
    Location:
    Copperas Cove, Texas
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    LNXGUY
    I know Nolan Ryan well. Only because he is a fellow Texan.

    I read the news just about hourly during the week. Just not the sports news.
     
  24. IK04

    IK04 Cleared for Takeoff

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2018
    Messages:
    1,180
    Location:
    Copperas Cove, Texas
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    LNXGUY
    What's tragic is that he was the passenger...
     
    Brad Smith likes this.
  25. EdFred

    EdFred Touchdown! Greaser! PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2005
    Messages:
    23,184
    Location:
    Michigan
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Ed Frederick
    You guys sound like fun at parties.
     
  26. weilke

    weilke Touchdown! Greaser! PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2010
    Messages:
    12,941
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    weilke
    We are popular as the others are glad to use our share of the cocaine.
     
    Tantalum likes this.
  27. Tantalum

    Tantalum En-Route

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2017
    Messages:
    3,892
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    San_Diego_Pilot
    ..fair enough, but he wasn't totally innocent in that decision. It's not the same if we crash flying with a passenger who's oblivious to our recklessness. Rodas was driving his Porsche and they were at a part of the road that is quite well known in the area for drifting cars. They knew what they were doing and did so willingly. The fact that Porsche was later sued was, frankly, bananas, and ultimately the legal system worked and the ruling (in one of the cases) was in favor of Porsche, the others they settled out. Porsche said it best:

    "
    The perils, risk, and danger were open and obvious and known to him, and he chose to conduct himself in a manner so as to expose himself to such perils, dangers, and risks, thus assuming all the risks involved in using the vehicle
    "

    Tragic, like I said, in a Shakespearean sense, but not from a "poor innocent guy was just driving" .. if he had been hit by a drunk driver, or died of cancer (for example), that's tragic. Dying because you are joyriding your car with your friend is just stupid.
     
    3393RP likes this.
  28. kell490

    kell490 Filing Flight Plan

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2018
    Messages:
    20
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Kelly
    Hallady had to pass a drug screening test maybe he paid off an AME to pass him. I guess he could have used synthetic urine for the drug screening.
     
  29. Palmpilot

    Palmpilot Touchdown! Greaser!

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2007
    Messages:
    16,170
    Location:
    PUDBY
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Richard Palm
    I thought the only urine test that AMEs did was for diabetes.
     
  30. Viper139

    Viper139 Filing Flight Plan

    Joined:
    May 31, 2015
    Messages:
    8
    Location:
    Dayton, Nevada
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    David
    He was the passenger in the crash, he was not the driver.
     
  31. Tantalum

    Tantalum En-Route

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2017
    Messages:
    3,892
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    San_Diego_Pilot
     
  32. Omalley1537

    Omalley1537 Line Up and Wait

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2015
    Messages:
    708
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Sean
    Some of us just don’t give a damn about stick and ball sports.

    But you were correct in that I don’t watch the news. No need. If I want the experience of modern “news,” I’ll peruse a copy of the Enquirer at the grocery store checkout. About the same factual content.
     
    Tantalum likes this.
  33. EdFred

    EdFred Touchdown! Greaser! PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2005
    Messages:
    23,184
    Location:
    Michigan
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Ed Frederick
    The difference between introverts and extroverts.

    It helps to know a little about a wide range of subjects even ones as "stupid" as sports so when you meet someone new you can have some sort of commonality. No need to be an expert on everything, but having a little bit of knowledge of American "crap" can help with making a connection with someone and can lead to future opportunities.

    There's a lot of subjects I dont care about, but I at least pick up some knowledge on them so I dont look like an absolute tool in social or business settings. No one wants to hear me prattle on about aviation crap, or what MY interests are.

    At least appearing to give a **** about other people's interests is a big thing when engaging other people.
     
  34. Timbeck2

    Timbeck2 Final Approach

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2015
    Messages:
    6,382
    Location:
    Vail, Arizona
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Timbeck2
    I'll listen to your "aviation crap" EddieFreddie, and I'll even comment on sports but if you start talking stats and draft picks, I'll go chasing squirrels.

    There's a bunch of guys at work that would be top controllers if they knew as much about their job as they knew about sports.
     
    Zeldman and Omalley1537 like this.