What does this airport sign mean...

[Princesspilot206]

Gold Seal online ground school is saying, "Land and hold short point for other than intersecting runways." Under what circumstance would you have to land and hold short? What are you holding short of if not an intersecting runway? I am not finding it in the AIM.

 

[Tarheelpilot]

Holding short of that sign I reckon.

 

[eman1200]

elephant crossing?

 

[Matthew]

I can’t remember the last time I heard a “land and hold short” instruction. Is that still a thing?

 

[Tarheelpilot]

I can’t remember the last time I heard a “land and hold short” instruction. Is that still a thing?

Yes. I do it often.

 

[Princesspilot206]

Looking for an FAA source / scenario it would be useful to ATC / photo of one on a runway.

elephant crossing?

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You have been waiting so long to use that previously saved photo, haven’t you.

 

[Princesspilot206]

Is it mandatory? I would assume so since it is red. What if it is after hours and no one is in the tower to give a pilot that hold short instruction, how would they know to do it? Does a pilot disregard it if ATC is not there or does not say anything about it? Is there ever a HS-2, would you have a hold short instruction at multiple points on the runway (that apparently has no intersecting runway?

I have so many questions…I could have sworn this sign would be talking about Hot Spots.

 

[eman1200]

…You have been waiting so long to use that previously saved photo, haven’t you.

mmmmmmm nope. luckily for me the internet stores a lot of my impromptu responses.

 

[dmspilot]

AIM 4-3-11, and Figure 4-3-10 "Land and Hold Short of a Designated Point on a Runway Other Than an Intersecting Runway or Taxiway"

Under what circumstance would you have to land and hold short?

When cleared to land and hold short.

What are you holding short of if not an intersecting runway?

The sign and associated markings. The figure depicts it being used to protect another runways approach/departure path.

 

[MauleSkinner]

I can’t remember the last time I heard a “land and hold short” instruction. Is that still a thing?

Outside of the airline world I’d guess it’s pretty rare. They won’t have a non-airline airplane hold short for an airline airplane.

 

[Princesspilot206]

AIM 4-3-11, and Figure 4-3-10 "Land and Hold Short of a Designated Point on a Runway Other Than an Intersecting Runway or Taxiway"

When cleared to land and hold short.

The sign and associated markings. The figure depicts it being used to protect another runways approach/departure path.

Thank you for pointing that out. I was looking in the wrong chapter of the AIM.

 

[M20K]

To me it looks like it should be denoting Hot Spot 1 since the "HS-1" looks the same as what is on the charts.

But I could not find any FAA reference to Hold Short or Hot Spot, so we have to assume your Ground School is correct. It sure would be nice to have an example.

 

[M20K]

I can’t remember the last time I heard a “land and hold short” instruction. Is that still a thing?

Yes, but not at all Airports and some of the ones that can, rarely do.

So you may be flying into Airports that either can't or typically don't do LAHSO.

 

[Matthew]

To me it looks like it should be denoting Hot Spot 1 since the "HS-1" looks the same as what is on the charts.

But I could not find any FAA reference to Hold Short or Hot Spot, so we have to assume your Ground School is correct. It sure would be nice to have an example.

The only reference I found was in the AIM fig 4-3-10.

 

[Racerx]

I can’t remember the last time I heard a “land and hold short” instruction. Is that still a thing?

Yep. Got one flying to my buddies wedding at kgrb. Landed 36. Citation was landing 24.

No airport sign for a hot spot. Just on the diagram and description in the supplement

 

[dmspilot]

Yep. Got one flying to my buddies wedding at kgrb. Landed 36. Citation was landing 24.

No airport sign for a hot spot. Just on the diagram and description in the supplement

Now I'm embarrassed. I told a student who showed me that red HS-1 sign years ago that it stood for hot spot 1. In my mind it made sense. I had never seen one, but I imagined that the FAA puts up signs to tell you you're entering a particularly egregious one.

The FAA probably shouldn't have two completely different things on an airport labeled HS-1. Okay one has a dash and the other doesn't. Good enough

 

[MauleSkinner]

The FAA probably shouldn't have two completely different things on an airport labeled HS-1.

They allowed two completely different airplanes to be called DA-20.

 

[Matthew]

Now I'm embarrassed. I told a student who showed me that red HS-1 sign years ago that it stood for hot spot 1. In my mind it made sense. I had never seen one, but I imagined that the FAA puts up signs to tell you you're entering a particularly egregious one.

The FAA probably shouldn't have two completely different things on an airport labeled HS-1. Okay one has a dash and the other doesn't. Good enough

As far as I know, Hot Spots are only displayed on the airport diagrams, not on the airport surface. Until this thread I didn’t know “HS” (hold short) was a thing. It does make sense, though. A red hold short sign at a crossing rwy has the crossing rwy numbers. But if it’s something other than an intersection then it’s “HS”.

 

[Chrisgoesflying]

I can’t remember the last time I heard a “land and hold short” instruction. Is that still a thing?

I get it occasionally. I always reject it (just like intersection takeoffs) and ATC never has a problem with it - they just extend my downwind. I can land on a 3,000 foot runway but if I have 8,000 feet available, heck I want them all, just in case.

 

[TommyG]

I was just flyin last week and they had LAHSO in effect. No one had an issue except on Bonanza said he couldn’t accept 3’650 feet. Pilot said it was bumpy while flying and he didn’t want it.

 

[geezer]

I have landed LAHSO at KRDU and KMIA years ago.

I should have refused KRDU, I was vectored and was way high when cleared to land.

 

[Matthew]

I don’t get to many towered airports. Mine used to announce “Land and hold short operations in effect”, but they stopped that a long time ago. I had pretty much forgotten about it.

 

[bonefishpete]

Never mind I see it.

 

[M20K]

The only reference I found was in the AIM fig 4-3-10.

Excellent, thanks!

I went back and found it. It was just off the screen and I didn't scroll down enough to see it.

 

[AV8R_87]

I can’t remember the last time I heard a “land and hold short” instruction. Is that still a thing?

I was at KLNS a while back, they were doing LAHSO. Advertising it on the ATIS as well.

 

[flyingpreacher]

I got a LAHSO at KBTV last year. In my 172, I planned to be off the runway on a taxiway before reaching that crossing runway regardless, so I didn’t mind accepting. By the time I reached short final, the issue was deconflicted, so they canceled LAHSO and cleared me to land. (And yup, landing RWY01, I was off on B, so a non factor anyway)

 

[Gilbert Buettner]

We would get it at Green Bay now and then. Cleared to land 24, hold short 18-36.

 

[Wrench978]

Yesterday I flew into PWM (Portland, ME) and the Skyhawk doing a full stop practice ILS 11 was given LAHSO 18 for me.