Wagstaff late-night "runway incident" at KOSH?

[SkyHog]

Me thinks Nick's more recent posts are dripping with sarcasm. Perhaps he's just trying to keep the peace?

Oh..ok..

Seemed a bit over the top...

(I'm lagging today.. Daughter's getting marreid and we're hosting the reception. I log on to ESCAPE!)

Me? Sarcastic? No...

I try to avoid smilies whenever possible. They seem to take away from the meaning of the post. Has gotten me in trouble a few times though <bseg>

 

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

Some years ago, when George H. was Vice Pres. he was making a campaign stop at a museum next door to where I worked. So, of course, lots of people were lined up against the parking lot fence to watch him fly in - particularly one of his big fans who I will call "Jim" (cauze that is his name )

Anyhow, a rent-a-cop comes by to make everyone step back 6 feet from the fence, Jim makes some smart ass comment about moving 6 whole feet being pointless, and ****es Barny off.

Not too much later, the Secret Service is in the building searching for Jim because he had "made a threat against the Vice President".

Really.

When they finally found him and noticed that his cube was plastered with Regan / Bush bumper stickers and other Republican propaganda, and heard his side of the story, they elected to let it slide.

 

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

Nope, nope, doesn't work that way. Implied consent doesn't exist.

'long as I'm telling stories about some of the people I work(ed) with - one guy was convinced that he didn't have to pay income tax. I think he was doing the "donate everything to his church (which owned his house, and bought him food)" or something like that.

One day the company security escorted the feds to his desk and they took him out in handcuffs. He ended up spending a few years in jail.

On the bright side, he did get his old job back when he got out.

 

[mikea]

'long as I'm telling stories about some of the people I work(ed) with - one guy was convinced that he didn't have to pay income tax. I think he was doing the "donate everything to his church (which owned his house, and bought him food)" or something like that.

One day the company security escorted the feds to his desk and they took him out in handcuffs. He ended up spending a few years in jail.

On the bright side, he did get his old job back when he got out.

Most of these maroons aren't satisfied in just not paying or not filing. They file a return with asterisks on it saying they're exempt because the income tax amendment wasn't ratified or is unconstitutional or they haven't earned any income known as "dollars" or somesuch, and the IRS prolly just forwards the return to the "pick this guy up" backlog.

 

[Henning]

I think we should take bets on whether EAA goes with the Oshkosh residents or one of, if not THE top volunteer performers at AirVenture in decades. (OK, Sean Tucker took #1 later.)

I have my opinion which they'll choose.

I don't think that "Oshkosh Residents" is appropriate here in that it implies the people of Oshkosh as a group are determined to hang rule violators. One Rent a Cop, and one Sherriffs deputy. Right about now, my bet says the DA and Sherriff wish this would have never happenned, both are elected positions, and this one is a no win for either of them. I also bet that EAA in the future screens their rent a cops a bit better. The rent a cop works for EAAs best interest, not law enforcements.

 

[mikea]

I don't think that "Oshkosh Residents" is appropriate here in that it implies the people of Oshkosh as a group are determined to hang rule violators. One Rent a Cop, and one Sherriffs deputy. Right about now, my bet says the DA and Sherriff wish this would have never happenned, both are elected positions, and this one is a no win for either of them. I also bet that EAA in the future screens their rent a cops a bit better. The rent a cop works for EAAs best interest, not law enforcements.

AFAIK, the security out on the grounds are not "Rent-a-cops" because nobody's paying rent. I think the kids are volunteers and I think the vast majority of the ones that get fun jobs are there on the Chicago "who you know, not what you know" basis.

It may be that EAA pays for some actual "Rent-a-cops" - hired security - for jobs like watching the exhibit buildings overnight.

The professional cops are are from the City of Oshkosh, the county and WI state troopers on the roads.

 

[jtheune]

Not according to the New Mexico state legislature...

By my parsing of this law, you have given implied consent for testing if you are arrested for a action involving a motor vehicle or if the officer has a reasonable suspicion that your intoxicated. It's not a license for the police to start a fishing expedition. They must have reasonable cause to request a test.

 

[timwinters]

Personally...

I think Patty needs to be spanked.

I volunteer.

Hey, somebody's gotta do it!

 

[dparter]

AFAIK, the security out on the grounds are not "Rent-a-cops" because nobody's paying rent. I think the kids are volunteers and I think the vast majority of the ones that get fun jobs are there on the Chicago "who you know, not what you know" basis.

It may be that EAA pays for some actual "Rent-a-cops" - hired security - for jobs like watching the exhibit buildings overnight.

The professional cops are are from the City of Oshkosh, the county and WI state troopers on the roads.

There are multiple "security" operations (if that is the right word) at Oshkosh. There are volunteers doing certain crowd-control type things. There are professional, paid security staff doing certain other things. Many of those are off-duty police officers or sheriff's duputies. There are also on-duty police and sheriff's deputies as appropriate. And, depending who is visiting, and what is on display, various VIP protection details, and security tasked with protecting specific property.

I know some of this because a friend owns a company that has part/some of the security contracts. I don't know the details, but at least part of it involves hiring some of the above-mentioned off-duty police and deputies.

I haven't seen him since Oshkosh, and haven't asked if he knows about "the incident" or precieved higher level of friction between "security" and visitors.

--david

 

[KennyFlys]

By my parsing of this law, you have given implied consent for testing if you are arrested for a action involving a motor vehicle or if the officer has a reasonable suspicion that your intoxicated. It's not a license for the police to start a fishing expedition. They must have reasonable cause to request a test.

Read the line in bold. The very act of operating a motor vehicle provides for implied consent. As I said before, driving is not a right. Conditions can be placed on the privilege of operating a motor vehicle, including implied consent.