Volunteer flying.
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Take a look at aes.faa.gov. Search for 61.113 exemptions granted by AFS-800. You'll see that volunteer pilot organizations like PALS and Angelflight using contributions to pay for the pilots' expenses requires an exemption.
As such, it sounds like your operation would require an exemption as well, so as you described, it's not legal.
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Who cares? Fly the trip and enjoy helping.
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Muttley nails it.
I thought he asked if it was legal, not whether he should do it.
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There won't be one. Your answer was correct AFAIK.
You can't take money or anything of value other than a charitable deduction in exchange for transporting something or someone. And those exemptions you mention are not easy to get since they require the organization to, among other things, obtain FAA approval for a qualification and training program.
The FAA guidance on the process is here: http://1.usa.gov/1Sd01Kt
You've given a good link to looking some of them up to get an idea of the type of things the FAA has approved, and denied.
Whether to do it or not is a completely separate question but since ignorance is not a defense anyway, it's probably best to try to understand a rule before deciding it's ok to break it.
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Don't volunteer to fly. Have them order you to fly. Then they can pay you.
The military has been getting away with it forever. I flew for years that way, and got paid every month.
The military has been getting away with it forever. I flew for years that way, and got paid every month.
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The PPL only gets what gas he used, thus they are only returned what they use. they donate their time and use of the aircraft.
I don't see any compensation.
I do see a problem with common purpose.
Did you read any of the exemptions that I mentioned above? They explain the compensation issue. Better to hear it from the FAA than SGOTI.
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Why do that if it is contrary to one's beliefs?
That said, there is theoretical difference between (a) paying for fuel and getting a check back and having it reimbursed and (b) having someone else pay for it. But it is a distinction I doubt the FAA would make.
If you take the strictest view, even those discounts we get at many FBOs when doing charitable missions are technically a 61.113 violation. One that no ones, probably including the FAA, cares about.
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There's no problem with common purpose unless you add compensation into the mix.
To KISS, you can transport anyone or anything anywhere anytime on your own dime. But not on someone else's dime.
Keep in mind that even the charitable deduction is a violation (the Chief Counsel said so a long time ago) but is permitted as a matter of policy so long as there are no other elements of compensation (broadly defined as anything of value).
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You must have common purpose to share expenses, isn't that what they are really doing?
