Vegetarian diet cuts heart disease risk 32%

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A study of over 40,000 peoplein England and Scotland recently published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition suggests that vegetarians reduce their risk of cardiovascular illness 32%. Makes sense, since vegetarians are often more health conscious than their carnivorous counterparts. The story on the BBC
 
If God has meant for us to be vegetarians, He would have made broccoli more fun to hunt.

:-)
 
A study of over 40,000 peoplein England and Scotland recently published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition suggests that vegetarians reduce their risk of cardiovascular illness 32%. Makes sense, since vegetarians are often more health conscious than their carnivorous counterparts. The story on the BBC

That's only because those on it long enough eventually commit suicide, long before disease can set in.
 
I can see that, vegetarians have a certain rail thin slow metabolism look that suggests longevity. That plus dancing around naked in the woods all night with a wreath on their heads has to be good cardio.
 
I can see that, vegetarians have a certain rail thin slow metabolism look that suggests longevity. That plus dancing around naked in the woods all night with a wreath on their heads has to be good cardio.

Man, am I missing out! That's only if the girl vegetarians do it too.
 
Man, am I missing out! That's only if the girl vegetarians do it too.

Well a young very open minded vegan hippy girl I meet on the chairlift in Taos said it best, "There are certain advantages to being part of the tribe". :wink2:

Sounds like you are missing out!
 
What is not clear is how folks that eat veggies AND fish stack up against red meat. There is some evidence that indicates that certain fish reduce heart disease (ergo the focus on Omega-3 fish oils).
 
Well a young very open minded vegan hippy girl I meet on the chairlift in Taos said it best, "There are certain advantages to being part of the tribe". :wink2:

Sounds like you are missing out!

I know a couple of vegan gals.... They both have a funky body oder...:eek::eek:.......


If I am going to play that ends up with any sweating involved ,I will find some of the other 3 billion other gals who don't alter normal human metabolism.. :yes::D
 
Perhaps BBC can offer up an article on why dentistry is so unpopular in the UK?


Genetics have a lot to do with teeth as well as everything else. I'm 29 and never had a cavity in my life. I went to the dentist first time ever for tooth pain in 2009 and they couldn't find anything wrong. The pain passed without treatment.
 
Vegetarians fart more then meatatarians. Ergo, farting reduces CV disease.
 
The Atkins diet seems to help reduce CV disease, too. Makes no sense to me other than perhaps that people who conscientiously follow any sort of diet are more likely to be concerned about their health in general, and they also so exercise, avoid smoking, etc.

-Rich
 
Watch the movie "Fat Head" on Netflix. Very interesting.
 
Why would anyone want to live longer without bacon? Vegetarians are twice cursed.
 
The Atkins diet seems to help reduce CV disease, too. Makes no sense to me other than perhaps that people who conscientiously follow any sort of diet are more likely to be concerned about their health in general, and they also so exercise, avoid smoking, etc.

-Rich

Agree.

I have been a vegetarian for 23 years, and strongly recommend it, BUT--there is a big difference between simply not eating meat, and thinking about a healthy diet.

For the first few years, I was an avid eater of mac and cheese, chips, and coca cola. Sure, technically it was vegetarian, but it sure was not good for me!
 
The Atkins diet seems to help reduce CV disease, too. Makes no sense to me other than perhaps that people who conscientiously follow any sort of diet are more likely to be concerned about their health in general, and they also so exercise, avoid smoking, etc.

-Rich

I think Sugar is the culprit and you are reducing carbs (especially sugar) on Atkins so you inadvertently are healthier.

in the 60s they wanted us to reduce fat but all the low fat cal foods had to have sugar added so it didn't taste like cardboard. Thing is that the food companies found out that sugar is additive...thus companies like MacDonalds dips their french fries in sugar before cooking them, bread has sugar added, as does the special sauce, high sugar ketchup.
 
I think Sugar is the culprit and you are reducing carbs (especially sugar) on Atkins so you inadvertently are healthier.

in the 60s they wanted us to reduce fat but all the low fat cal foods had to have sugar added so it didn't taste like cardboard. Thing is that the food companies found out that sugar is additive...thus companies like MacDonalds dips their french fries in sugar before cooking them, bread has sugar added, as does the special sauce, high sugar ketchup.

I'm inclined to agree. I never had what anyone would call a "sweet tooth." Even as a little kid, I rarely ate candy. I simply didn't care for it.

It wasn't until I was diagnosed with diabetes and started reading food labels more closely that I realized how much sugar is in foods that I never thought of as being "sweets." Like peanut butter, for example. About nine out of ten peanut butters have added sugar. Even some of the "natural" ones have added sugars.

Even many "hot sauces" have sugar -- which is about as counter-intuitive as it gets, as far as I'm concerned. Other examples of unexpected sugar include some brands of canned vegetables, most salad dressings, and many canned soups. It shows up in the most unexpected places.

My solution has been to read labels, as well as to try to eat more like my grandparents did, mainly by cooking my own meals, eschewing fast foods pretty much altogether, and avoiding processed foods as much as possible.

-Rich
 
I think Sugar is the culprit and you are reducing carbs (especially sugar) on Atkins so you inadvertently are healthier.

in the 60s they wanted us to reduce fat but all the low fat cal foods had to have sugar added so it didn't taste like cardboard. Thing is that the food companies found out that sugar is additive...thus companies like MacDonalds dips their french fries in sugar before cooking them, bread has sugar added, as does the special sauce, high sugar ketchup.

Ding Ding Ding! We have a Winnah. I think you hit the nail on the head.
 
My solution has been to read labels, as well as to try to eat more like my grandparents did, mainly by cooking my own meals, eschewing fast foods pretty much altogether, and avoiding processed foods as much as possible.

-Rich

If it has more than five ingredients in it, don't buy it.

If you can't pronounce one of the ingredients, don't buy it.

If it had to go through a "process," don't buy it.

I won't go so far as Jack LaLaine and say, "If it tastes good, spit it out!"
 
The Adkins diet has always been a mechanistic mystery to me, i.e. why it works. That said, I bet the first study to examine downstream consequences finds linkage to illnesses of uric acid and purine metabolism, like gout.
 
The Adkins diet has always been a mechanistic mystery to me, i.e. why it works. That said, I bet the first study to examine downstream consequences finds linkage to illnesses of uric acid and purine metabolism, like gout.
Or colon cancer. I don't get how it doesn't do you damage.
 
Or colon cancer. I don't get how it doesn't do you damage.

Me neither. I can't see how someone can tweak their metabolism that hard on a routine basis and not affect it.

The more salient thought is that those who use Adkins to loose weight obviously start out with poor eating or exercise habits, otherwise they'd have no weight to loose. The Adkins diet will not fix their dietary deficiencies, nor will it empower them to do so in and of itself. Hence I would expect anyone who lose weight on Adkins to regain it in short order, everything else being equal.
 
The Adkins diet has always been a mechanistic mystery to me, i.e. why it works. That said, I bet the first study to examine downstream consequences finds linkage to illnesses of uric acid and purine metabolism, like gout.

In an arguably oversimplified nutshell, it works on two bases:

1. A drastic reduction or elimination of carbohydrates will force your body to go in to a mode where it rapidly metabolizes fat for energy, since it can't get sufficient energy through ingested food alone.

2. Proteins and carbohydrates are metabolized at different rates. Proteins slowly, since the body breaks proteins down in to aminos, and the body uses them first for cellular regeneration and muscle development before they are broken further down in to starch, and eventually glucose. Carbohydrates are already halfway there. Sugars are right there. In any case, the body has to break proteins and starches all the way down to glucose before they can be used for either energy or fat storage. So, you can eat a lot more protein (and fat) calories that you can starch calories to supply a given basal metabolic rate.

I don't think that the Adkins diet in itself is particularly harmful to your system or puts you at greater risk of colon cancer. You have to have other nutrients, and fiber in your diet and you can get those with most vegetables without incurring a significant carbohydrate load, particularly with leafy green vegetables. The key is to eat enough of those to flush out your system.

I have a family history of celiac disease, with some family members unable to eat anything glutenous or anything very high in starch content. They have grown up on what we would call the Adkins diet their entire lives with no apparent ill effects. Myself included, at least so far.
 
My solution has been to read labels, as well as to try to eat more like my grandparents did, mainly by cooking my own meals, eschewing fast foods pretty much altogether, and avoiding processed foods as much as possible.

-Rich

:yeahthat:
 
Watch the movie "Fat Head" on Netflix. Very interesting.
Tom Naughton has updated his "Fat Head" movie with a new part at the end about his Paleo diet. Netflix probably has the old version.

On his blog, Tom takes a closer look at the vegetarian/heart disease study and its claims.

We've been on the Paleo diet for two years. The improvements in so many health issues are so impressive that we've decided we'll never go back to eating grains, legumes, seed oils, processed foods and sugar.
 
The Atkins diet seems to help reduce CV disease, too. Makes no sense to me other than perhaps that people who conscientiously follow any sort of diet are more likely to be concerned about their health in general, and they also so exercise, avoid smoking, etc.

-Rich


I lost 100 pounds on Atkins and kept it off for five years. But I now have gained 40 of it back, gotta do it again.
 
The Adkins diet has always been a mechanistic mystery to me, i.e. why it works. That said, I bet the first study to examine downstream consequences finds linkage to illnesses of uric acid and purine metabolism, like gout.

Why? Worked for our ancestors. We didn't go agrarian til much, much later.
 
Tom Naughton has updated his "Fat Head" movie with a new part at the end about his Paleo diet. Netflix probably has the old version.

On his blog, Tom takes a closer look at the vegetarian/heart disease study and its claims.

We've been on the Paleo diet for two years. The improvements in so many health issues are so impressive that we've decided we'll never go back to eating grains, legumes, seed oils, processed foods and sugar.

I followed his Facebook page for awhile. I've been looking into paleo, as well. A lot of makes sense. We're carnivores at heart. The further we move away from that the more issues we seem to have.
 
Now I'm considering a Vegetarian diet, do they taste good?
 
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