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Larry Korona

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Due to unforeseeable circumstances, the date Reservation Request Forms will be available is November 15, 2023.

We had advertised and made the commitment to have all reservation request forms online on Oct 4, 2023. Due to circumstances out of our control, we are no longer able to meet that date. We will still have lodging spaces available. We will continue to honor requests to the best of our ability. The options and quantity of rooms may not be the same as years past. (9/15/2023).

On behalf of Residence Life Conference Services at the University of Wisconsin Oshkosh, we want to update you on situations happening at our University. It was announced in early August that the University of Wisconsin Oshkosh was facing an $18 million dollar budget deficit. This deficit will create delays and a re-imaginging of the kind of service we are able to offer.​

At this time we have not made any decisions about what will change, but please expect your EAA Airventure experience at University of Wisconsin Oshkosh to look different. We will share more information as we are told what decisions are being made. We are currently awaiting updates (9/13/2023).
 
No clue what that means. Are we supposed to call, wait, send a carrier pigeon, ?
 
I take it to mean that the new date to make a reservation is now Nov 15 however by what means does one make the reservation is not clear. Most worrying is their comment about opinions and quantity. I'm expecting changes that will make the experience to be disappointing.
 
Never good when you read the words expect changes.
 
Quote from the article
'.....state lawmakers and former Gov. Scott Walker passed a state budget cutting $250 million from the UW System.....Those factors, along with significant and prolonged enrollment declines, have left 10 of the state's 13 universities with projected deficits of at least $60 million"

In an accompany news release....'UW System president: 'Starved' universities cannot meet Wisconsin’s workforce needs'

Can't have it both ways, folks. Reduce higher ed funding and accept a smaller workforce which also means smaller tax revenue, less incentive for companies to move to Wisconsin/leave Wisconsin....and so on.
 

Due to unforeseeable circumstances, the date Reservation Request Forms will be available is November 15, 2023.

We had advertised and made the commitment to have all reservation request forms online on Oct 4, 2023. Due to circumstances out of our control, we are no longer able to meet that date. We will still have lodging spaces available. We will continue to honor requests to the best of our ability. The options and quantity of rooms may not be the same as years past. (9/15/2023).

On behalf of Residence Life Conference Services at the University of Wisconsin Oshkosh, we want to update you on situations happening at our University. It was announced in early August that the University of Wisconsin Oshkosh was facing an $18 million dollar budget deficit. This deficit will create delays and a re-imaginging of the kind of service we are able to offer.​

At this time we have not made any decisions about what will change, but please expect your EAA Airventure experience at University of Wisconsin Oshkosh to look different. We will share more information as we are told what decisions are being made. We are currently awaiting updates (9/13/2023).

Due to unforeseeable circumstances, the date Reservation Request Forms will be available is November 15, 2023.

We had advertised and made the commitment to have all reservation request forms online on Oct 4, 2023. Due to circumstances out of our control, we are no longer able to meet that date. We will still have lodging spaces available. We will continue to honor requests to the best of our ability. The options and quantity of rooms may not be the same as years past. (9/15/2023).

On behalf of Residence Life Conference Services at the University of Wisconsin Oshkosh, we want to update you on situations happening at our University. It was announced in early August that the University of Wisconsin Oshkosh was facing an $18 million dollar budget deficit. This deficit will create delays and a re-imaginging of the kind of service we are able to offer.​

At this time we have not made any decisions about what will change, but please expect your EAA Airventure experience at University of Wisconsin Oshkosh to look different. We will share more information as we are told what decisions are being made. We are currently awaiting updates (9/13/2023).
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I read today that an associate professor at uw-osh said they are being furloughed 11 days this next year and losing 6% of their salary.
 
Figured the dorms and opening up the dining hall were a cash win for the university.
 
I stayed there in 2019 and things were pretty austere, can't imagine what it will be like now.
 
Figured the dorms and opening up the dining hall were a cash win for the university.
It absolutely has to be. But somehow someone has bucketized the cost to staff and resources of working it as costing something ( or maybe the cost is calculated as having the entire university open which it isn’t) and/or maybe that the revenues from osh are thrown in another bucket as “donations” or something so they aren’t looked at as a cost vs revenue calculation….. because I imagine that week has got to be revenue positive for them.
 
200 layoffs plus furlough periods for the remaining staff are planned
student newspaper article

Without knowing who’s going to be working there in July, it’s gotta be hard to make plans. Whether an event makes money or not, they’ve got to have the employees for it.
 
Received a email today:

Thank you for your past patronage, and we look forward to your return to UW Oshkosh for EAA 2024!

We write to inform you that the registration request form for the University of Wisconsin Oshkosh Gruenhagen Conference Services EAA AirVenture lodging will open on November 15, 2023, instead of October 4, 2023, as originally communicated. Thanks for your understanding and patience with the new timeline as we work to improve our guest experience!

Please visit our website at that time to find the familiar link to our reservation request form: https://uwosh.edu/gcc/eaa-airventure-lodging/.

As always, we invite you to contact our staff team at eaahousing@uwosh.edu AND/OR 920-424-3226 with any EAA AirVenture lodging questions and we will get you answers!
 
"Leavitt told the campus "layoffs and nonrenewals are unavoidable, with notifications coming later this fall semester.""

Long time Wisconsin resident here. It's is absolutely avoidable. Vote in a new state government that values education instead of trying to starve it in a race to the bottom. But that isn't going to happen because the state just gets dumber and dumber and it becomes a self fulfilling prophesy.
 
"Leavitt told the campus "layoffs and nonrenewals are unavoidable, with notifications coming later this fall semester.""

Long time Wisconsin resident here. It's is absolutely avoidable. Vote in a new state government that values education instead of trying to starve it in a race to the bottom. But that isn't going to happen because the state just gets dumber and dumber and it becomes a self fulfilling prophesy.
Unfortunately, Wisconsin is following the lead of other states to the bottom. I'm still trying to understand where all the money is going that's being saved by cutting various programs.
 
I notice that when Universities announce cuts to employees, it is seldom in the Administration areas like Ass't deans, Directors of whatever, Supervisors of Esoterica, Compliance Examiners of Government Rule XYZ, Counselors for Ailment A,B or C, etc. Non-Tenured Academic folks get the wack first and eventually the ratio of non Academic folks to actual people teaching will exceed 1 to 1.

OTOH, some of the Departments and Courses serve no practical purpose and IMNSHO should never have been started in the first place. I always tell people unless you are going to University to learn a productive skill like Engineering, Business, Medical Fields, Science, etc. it is probably a large waste of money but it might be fun if you can afford it.
 
OTOH, some of the Departments and Courses serve no practical purpose and IMNSHO should never have been started in the first place. I always tell people unless you are going to University to learn a productive skill like Engineering, Business, Medical Fields, Science, etc. it is probably a large waste of money but it might be fun if you can afford it.
That is a very unfortunate and narrow view of the value of education that leads to many of the problems we have today.
 
That is a very unfortunate and narrow view of the value of education that leads to many of the problems we have today.
How so? What specific problems do we have today that can be alleviated by more liberal arts studies? With the possible exception of actual history classes?
 
How so? What specific problems do we have today that can be alleviated by more liberal arts studies? With the possible exception of actual history classes?
Liberal arts education teaches you how you think. A skill that is in woefully short supply these days and a skill that is useful for a lifetime.

Engineering, accounting, computer science and many other degrees are basically (highly necessary) jobs training programs that could be done quite differently.

Of course, in real life, there are good engineering programs that have substantial and high quality liberal arts components. But there are also plenty that graduate people knowing how to engineer a bridge, but were only taught how to engineer a bridge. So, when they get promoted they don't have the skills necessary to be a good boss, deal with suppliers, write proposals, run a company, etc. I'm sure everyone here has worked with someone who was "peter principled" into a job they are not qualified to do.

And, of course, as you point out, history matters. Especially in a democracy, history matters. How can we expect people to vote for reasonable representatives if their knowledge of history is lacking.

Or they only speak one language, robbing them of the opportunity to know other cultures better.

Or someone who hasn't studied macroeconomics, so doesn't understand that looking at an economy through the lens of a checkbook ledger misses some pretty important stuff.

Or someone who hasn't studied politics, so has no idea what the difference between utopian socialism, scientific socialism, communism, marxism, anarchism, laissez-faire capitalism, libertarianism, fascism, monarchy, democratic republics, etc, so votes for people with charisma, money and/or good hair instead of people qualified to run large countries in a fashion that can form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity. You'll note that list is not achievable without a liberal arts education, which is because the founding fathers had one, thought it valuable to examine things through multiple lenses and made sure that it was part of the country from the very beginning.

Or people who haven't studied ethics, so don't even have the vocabulary to balance beneficence, justice, autonomy, utility, deontology, rights, virtues, etc against one another when making decisions.

But you asked for "specific problems" (which I would argue probably misses the point to begin with).

There is a war in europe with a nation baselessly invading another. Liberal arts provide the background necessary to decide which side to support, how to support them and how to prevent such things in the future.

There are multiple central american countries that are so dangerous that people flee, embarking on a journey (which is itself dangerous) across Mexico to try and get to the US. A liberal arts education provides the tools necessary to understand that the problem isn't with Mexico (as a shocking number of Americans misunderstand), but with central america, the frameworks to think about how to humanly deal with the problem once people get to the US, the knowledge of history necessary to influence change in central america, an understanding of economics to know that "the illegals" are not stealing pieces of a fixed size pie but increase the size of the pie, benefit the nation and how this has benefit has been in the US for almost 250 years.

There was a global pandemic in which people skilled in some things, but not in broad thinking, were unable to understand information about the virus, the treatments, the vaccines, the public health policies, the economic responses, etc.

There is currently a housing crisis in the US which is making housing unaffordable and about which most people are ill equipped to attempt a rational discussion about solutions and an alarming number don't have the ethical background to think about the plight of the many that are being disenfranchised.

The US is aging. Rapidly. People are, almost intentionally, unwilling to think about what that will mean in the future and plan accordingly. This relates to the immigration issue above also, but most people don't connect the two.

In the future, there will be almost no need for human labor. Almost no one is thinking about what happens as that transition occurs. Even today, there are almost no jobs that someone with a low IQ can do and support a family. Do we just let them starve? Or live on the streets? Because that's what is happening currently as automation continues its inexorable path to efficiency.

I'm sure you can think of many more if you spend some time on it. But all of the above are the kinds of things that require a multidisciplinary background like that which starts with a liberal arts education. None will be solved by a single field of study.
 
These days, liberal arts classes seem to teach more 'what to think' vs critical thinking. I do agree that education needs to be well rounded and any associate/baccalaureate degree should continue to require courses in liberal arts and sciences.
 
These days, liberal arts classes seem to teach more 'what to think' vs critical thinking.
Nah. The only people saying that are the ones that aren't spending enough time in classrooms. There are activists in liberal arts, but they are uncommon enough as to be talking points when they say something goofy. The vast majority are doing liberal arts in the proper way.

Throwing out the baby with the bathwater is *exactly* the kind of thing that a liberal arts education is designed to prevent.

Democracy isn't a failed concept because of certain illiterate extremists getting elected. Liberal arts isn't a failed concept because of some random prof advocating for marxism. Think bigger. No system composed of people is going to be uniformly perfect.
 
@172andyou I agree, think bigger...and with an open mind...but not so open that the brains leak out. I throw no babies out with the bath water. I certainly have spent quite a bit of time in classrooms on both sides of the desk and have raised children, and now see grandchildren, in the educational system. To make the assumption that you know better than I ("not spending enough time in the classrooms") is rather arrogant being that you know VERY little of my background and experience.
 
In before the lock...... which will come once the utopian "thinkers" get challenged, you know, things like we are not a democracy, but rather a constitutional republic.....
A liberal arts education would have taught you that the US constitutional republic is a form of democracy. ;-)

Is democracy the most appropriate name for a large-scale representative system such as that of the early United States? At the end of the 18th century, the history of the terms whose literal meaning is “rule by the people”—democracy and republic—left the answer unclear. Both terms had been applied to the assembly-based systems of Greece and Rome, though neither system assigned legislative powers to representatives elected by members of the dēmos. As noted above, even after Roman citizenship was expanded beyond the city itself and increasing numbers of citizens were prevented from participating in government by the time, expense, and hardship of travel to the city, the complex Roman system of assemblies was never replaced by a government of representatives—a parliament—elected by all Roman citizens. Venetians also called the government of their famous city a republic, though it was certainly not democratic.

When the members of the United States Constitutional Convention met in 1787, terminology was still unsettled. Not only were democracy and republic used more or less interchangeably in the colonies, but no established term existed for a representative government “by the people.”


The idea of the US not being a democracy is a very modern invention of pop culture. Just in the past few years, really. It is a representational democracy, as distinct from direct democracy, which doesn't scale beyond a few hundred people so doesn't exist anywhere.
 
A liberal arts education would have taught you that the US constitutional republic is a form of democracy. ;-)

Is democracy the most appropriate name for a large-scale representative system such as that of the early United States? At the end of the 18th century, the history of the terms whose literal meaning is “rule by the people”—democracy and republic—left the answer unclear. Both terms had been applied to the assembly-based systems of Greece and Rome, though neither system assigned legislative powers to representatives elected by members of the dēmos. As noted above, even after Roman citizenship was expanded beyond the city itself and increasing numbers of citizens were prevented from participating in government by the time, expense, and hardship of travel to the city, the complex Roman system of assemblies was never replaced by a government of representatives—a parliament—elected by all Roman citizens. Venetians also called the government of their famous city a republic, though it was certainly not democratic.

When the members of the United States Constitutional Convention met in 1787, terminology was still unsettled. Not only were democracy and republic used more or less interchangeably in the colonies, but no established term existed for a representative government “by the people.”


The idea of the US not being a democracy is a very modern invention of pop culture. Just in the past few years, really. It is a representational democracy, as distinct from direct democracy, which doesn't scale beyond a few hundred people so doesn't exist anywhere.

Actually "a form of democracy" is a little misleading, a touch of word salad. Democracy results in mob rule, reactionary voting that slowly erodes freedoms and Creator granted inalienable rights. Masses are easily manipulated. I think you have your "representational democracy" description backwards. It was designed to be "constitutional republic" with the house democratically elected, the senate appointed by the house and the presidency democratically elected. The senate is now democratically elected also. Is that an improvement? Who knows. The senate also has the responsibility to vet and appoint supreme justices for the supreme court. The three branches of the government, the executive, legislative and the supreme court are equally endowed under the constitution, with well defined functions. One is not supposed to rule over the other. Each branch is supposed to function per the powers granted by the constitution and keep each other in check. The electorate's job in this is to keep the politicians in line by voting them out when they don't perform in the best interest of the country, that's the "democratic" part, the "by the people" part and it is designed that way on purpose. The government is supposed to work for the people, not lord over them. Something more and more people forget.

Changing the constitution is difficult and involved. The people who wrote this stuff understood that times change and fads come and go. I agree that liberal arts education is important, the danger with higher education is when it turns from an open and safe exploration of ideas, to an indoctrination of one philosophy. Some people are smart enough to recognize when this is going on, unfortunately many more are not.

Supposedly Ben Franklin, upon exiting the original constitutional convention was asked by a group of people what type of government the delegates had created, his reply was short and sweet" "a republic, if you can keep it." No truer words have ever been spoken.

This discussion has delved well into spin zone matter. Let's agree to end this here and get back to aviation related matters, which is what this thread originally was about.
 
Update-
EAA 2024 Lodging Information

Reservations for EAA 2024 lodging will open on Novermber 15th, 2023, at 8:00 AM Central Time (USA). Reservations will ONLY be taken through the online form. The online form button will appear on this webpage as a button you can click on. Reservations submitted before 8:00 AM CDT will NOT be accepted.

All reservation request forms are gone through by hand. This process takes time. You will receive an email confirmation when we reach your form. We process each form one-by-one as they are submitted. It may take time before we are able to respond to your individual form, please be patient.
FYI rates have increased!

Non-A/C Room – $100USD per night (3 night minimum)

A/C Room – $150USD per night (3 night minimum)

A/C Suite – $400USD per night (3 night minimum)

 
Well today was went UWO opened up the reservation system for dorm rooms. I submitted my request and now I'm waiting to hear back from them. Hopefully I've got a room
 
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