US Hijacker Shot Dead, Belize, 4/17

Didn’t the news say another passenger shot him? How does that work?
 
From the article: "Williams said that it was unclear how Taylor boarded the plane with a knife, though he acknowledged that the country’s smaller airstrips lacked security to fully search passengers."

Ya think?!?
 
kc4wsd said:
From the article: "Williams said that it was unclear how Taylor boarded the plane with a knife, though he acknowledged that the country’s smaller airstrips lacked security to fully search passengers."

Ya think?!?
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And yet a passenger had a firearm to stop him.
 
jayhawk74 said:
There are passengers with firearms on many US domestic flights.These passengers have a full time job in law enforcement where having a weapon is part of their job.
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That is not the only qualification... And I'd bet if you have 100 LEOs on a plane, at least 97 of 'em probably aren't allowed to carry on that flight.
 
Flyingcheesehead
The qualifications for LEOs to carry are very easy. For Federal LEOs all they need is their Credentials. For all others in addition to their Credentials they need a letter from their Chief stating that they are required to have their weapon with them. So I’ll take your bet and say of your 100 LEOs at least 97 are authorized.
 
As a FFDO, we were not qualified to shoot someone until dead… we were qualified to shoot them until they stopped moving.

After all, we’re not doctors, how do we know if you’re dead?
 
Tools said:
As a FFDO, we were not qualified to shoot someone until dead… we were qualified to shoot them until they stopped moving.

After all, we’re not doctors, how do we know if you’re dead?
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A buddy of mine on his first rifle deer hunt as a kid was told to keep shooting if it was still moving. Well the first shot put it down. But it moved a bit so he fired again. And again. And again. He stopped after 6. It kept moving from the concussion of the bullet hitting it. So he kept hammering away.
 
jayhawk74 said:
The qualifications for LEOs to carry are very easy. For Federal LEOs all they need is their Credentials. For all others in addition to their Credentials they need a letter from their Chief stating that they are required to have their weapon with them. So I’ll take your bet and say of your 100 LEOs at least 97 are authorized.
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Not true... But I believe going into any more detail is SSI so have a nice day. :thumbsup:
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Not true... But I believe going into any more detail is SSI so have a nice day. :thumbsup:
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There's also a course. All of this is spelled out on the TSA website (minus the logistics).

www.tsa.gov

Law Enforcement | Transportation Security Administration

The TSA Law Enforcement page provides information for law enforcement officers (LEOs) traveling armed. Officers must meet federal qualifications, including being sworn and commissioned to enforce criminal or immigration statutes.
www.tsa.gov www.tsa.gov

WRT this story, all I've read is that the shooter was licensed. Considering that he and the decedent both carried weapons on board (and maybe others!), I'd speculate that no one was checking.
 
Lindberg said:
There's also a course. All of this is spelled out on the TSA website (minus the logistics).
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Right. And since they said it first, let me just highlight the following from that web site:
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• Be authorized by the employing agency to have the weapon in connection with assigned duties.​
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In addition to the above requirements, municipal, county, state, tribal or territorial officers must present an operational need to have the weapon accessible from the time they would otherwise check the weapon, until the time it would be claimed after deplaning.​

Common examples of travel that does not meet the threshold for carriage of accessible weapons are:​
  • Individuals possessing the status of a retired, contract, reserve, auxiliary or annuitant law enforcement personnel.
  • Law enforcement officers who have not been granted general arrest authority and/or are limited specifically to governmental facilities.
  • Any law enforcement officer who is employed by a department, agency or service that is not fully taxpayer funded.
  • Attendance of non-operational or enforcement related activities (e.g., training, conferences, police week, memorial services, personal travel, etc.).
So yeah, the key thing there is that you need to have an operational need to have the weapon DURING THE FLIGHT. That's a tough threshold to meet, and not something that would be true of the majority of traveling LEOs.

Lindberg said:
WRT this story, all I've read is that the shooter was licensed. Considering that he and the decedent both carried weapons on board (and maybe others!), I'd speculate that no one was checking.
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Correct. And since this was on a domestic flight in Belize, the TSA and their requirements have nothing to do with it anyway.
 
Lindberg said:
From the post you disputed:
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Required to have their weapon with them DURING THE FLIGHT is the key. That is rarely going to be true. I would bet that the majority of traveling LEOs are on leisure/personal travel, which is specifically excluded. So there's no way that 97% of LEOs are going to be authorized to carry in flight.
 
If Belize has no procedure for transporting the firearm securely, the LEO will personally carry until he is on a carrier which has a secure means of control.

The equivalent of this occurs frequently in Alaska, I was on such a flight. The pilot simply verified that it was currently unloaded, even though the cartridges were transferred to the passengers packet. The pilots concern was an accidental event.
 
He was recently denied entry.
Yet he was in the country.
The article later says he demanded to be flown out of the country.
I would need help to make sense of that.
 
Tools said:
As a FFDO, we were not qualified to shoot someone until dead… we were qualified to shoot them until they stopped moving.

After all, we’re not doctors, how do we know if you’re dead?
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"Dammit, Jim, I'm a pilot, not a doctor!" ;)
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Right. And since they said it first, let me just highlight the following from that web site:
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• Be authorized by the employing agency to have the weapon in connection with assigned duties.​
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In addition to the above requirements, municipal, county, state, tribal or territorial officers must present an operational need to have the weapon accessible from the time they would otherwise check the weapon, until the time it would be claimed after deplaning.​

Common examples of travel that does not meet the threshold for carriage of accessible weapons are:​
  • Individuals possessing the status of a retired, contract, reserve, auxiliary or annuitant law enforcement personnel.
  • Law enforcement officers who have not been granted general arrest authority and/or are limited specifically to governmental facilities.
  • Any law enforcement officer who is employed by a department, agency or service that is not fully taxpayer funded.
  • Attendance of non-operational or enforcement related activities (e.g., training, conferences, police week, memorial services, personal travel, etc.).
So yeah, the key thing there is that you need to have an operational need to have the weapon DURING THE FLIGHT. That's a tough threshold to meet, and not something that would be true of the majority of traveling LEOs.


Correct. And since this was on a domestic flight in Belize, the TSA and their requirements have nothing to do with it anyway.
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I fly armed on at least a monthly basis. I had the Flying Armed class and when I go I send my flight information to HQ and they send back my authorization numbers. I give the numbers to TSA at the crew member entrance and fill out their logbook. Then I introduce myself to the captain when I board. No questions asked or justification given. Ever.
 
What percentage of airline pilots carry? I know that’s confidential information but wild guess? 10% Bet it’s less.
 
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