Two-Way Flight Transfer Capability

Discussion in 'Avionics and Upgrades' started by GLMS_NC, Nov 19, 2017.

  1. GLMS_NC

    GLMS_NC Pre-takeoff checklist

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    Do you have a Garmin FlightStream unit connected to your 430/530 or GTN that supports sharing panel data with your EFB?

    How important is this feature for you?

    Was your EFB app decision influenced by the support, or lack of, for flight transfer capability?

    As the 430/530 doesn't support airways well (requires lots of knob spinning to enter the waypoints) for a flight plan, and with regular routing changes, this is a big deal for me.

    Today ForeFlight and Garmin Pilot support two-way flight plan transfer.

    Shortly FltPlan Go will also support.

    No comment from FlyQ or WingX.

    A great video on the features.
     
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    I have a Flightstream 210 connected to a 430w with an iPad Air 2 running Garmin Pilot attached to the yoke in my Bellanca Super Viking. I also have an Stec 60-2 autopilot with GPSS that takes its direction from the 430w. Finally, I have a GDL-88 for ADS-B in and out. It’s a great set up for IFR flights and long trips. It’s very easy to add flight plan with airways on the iPad and upload the whole thing to the 430w without all the knob twisting required to enter the waypoints manually.

    As an example, I flew from San Jose, CA to Prescott, AZ using the following route:

    KSJC RW30L.SJC2.AVE V137 PMD V12 DRK KPRC

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    There are two 4-character airports, three 3-character VORs, and twenty-four 5-character waypoints in this route, for a total of 137 characters I would have to knob twist my way through to enter manually into the 430w. Easy peasy to transfer using the FS210.

    Another example: On an IFR flight from San Jose to Hawthorne, with the route below, ATC informed me that, due to the winds, LAX was landing a different direction, the VFR transitions were closed, and Hawthorne was closed to IFR arrivals, IFR cancelled, state intentions. Yikes!
    Standby, I replied.

    KSJC SNS V248 PRB V25 VTU V299 SADDE V107 SMO KHHR

    I’ve never flown VFR in the LAX class B airspace, since I file IFR for long trips both to stay in the system and also to not have to deal with airspace issues. Conditions were VMC, so that wasn’t an issue, I could go VFR.

    I used Garmin Pilot’s freehand flightplan mode to draw a path around the class B which kept me in airspace where the lowest portion of the Bravo was 4000’, and uploaded that new plan to the 430w. With a max altitude of 4000, I had a good buffer to work with over the terrain and the city. Called ATC back and requested VFR flight following to Hawthorne. Was granted with the instruction to remain clear of the Bravo. Easy to transfer the new route to the 430w and let it and the autopilot fly the route leaving me to monitor things, communicate, and primarily to keep an eye out for traffic.

    The route to KHHR went from this:
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    to this:
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    The FS210 also makes it easy to respond to ATC route changes and shortcut instructions. With all of the intersections on the airway easily loaded into the 430w, a direct-to instruction to a waypoint on the route can be dealt with by using the 430w’s direct to feature, which then syncs back to the iPad.

    I really, really like the Flightstream, 430w, GPSS autopilot, and Garmin Pilot system. I didn’t even get into the details of the ADS-B, but the Flightstream allows me to also see, on the iPad, the same traffic that ATC is seeing. That also is a great feature. It’s also got an attitude sensor enabling a backup to the vaccum-driven, panel-mounted AI.



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    My Avidyne allows flight plan transfer from/to ForeFlight. The Wifi is built into the navigator.
     
  5. Ryan F.

    Ryan F. Pre-takeoff checklist

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    I have a GTN650 with a Flightstream 510. The features afforded by the 510 are truly awesome. It's a real workload reducer, and has really fundamentally changed the way I interface with my IFR "Navigator." Most of the time I control it with my iPad now, although I do use PROC and change some page views around between Default Nav, Map, and etc. But generally speaking I file with Foreflight or Garmin Pilot, get an "expected" ATC clearance shortly before flight, and accept that on the iPad. When I climb into the aircraft, I use Database Concierge to update the nav DBs if necessary via wifi - this happens automatically, pretty much, with the GTN 650 "sensing" the presence of the new nav data on the iPad. Then, I send the most recent expected ATC clearance to the GPS using the "Send to Panel" feature in FF or Connext in Garmin Pilot. Same difference, really.

    From that point on, after receiving the clearance, if there are any changes, I'll make them on the iPad. It's just a little easier and faster to do it that way. If I'm given a "direct to" clearance to one of my fixes while enroute, I'll generally just use the GTN for that and hit the "D->" hardkey. I use two iPads in the airplane; they'll automatically sync with the new route with no "accept" confirmation dialogues to deal with on the iPads.

    It's truly seamless, an awesome way to manage resources for SPIFR ops. You asked how important this feature is to me? Very important. It's highly recommended, a real workload reducer and operational streamliner.
     
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  6. Scott@KTYR

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    +1 all of this but I have a 530 and ForeFlight. I love my flightstream 210. Very easy to load a flight plan or make changes on the fly.
     
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    My avionics - IPad mini 3 with ForeFlight, Garmin 530W, GDL88, FlightStream 210

    Love the 210 and the ability to load to the panel Garmin 530W which cross fills to my 496. No more chug and plug airway info, now it’s point and click with ForeFlight. Makes single pilot IFR much easier here in the mid-Atlantic.

     
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