TSA, USA, the AOPA, and the rest of us...

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It seems the AOPA keeps just saying that we agree that little planes are a security problem, but really, we can figure out
a way to comply with the bogus regulations and rules coming out of DC. This nonsense needs to stop, and these rules need
to be removed from the books. The TSA does not have the mandate they think they do, and little airplanes do not pose
a significant risk. If every one of you does not write to their congressman/senator/president, then perhaps you also are
a part of the problem.

This needs to be stopped. Did you know that the TSA even says that RC airplanes cannot be flown inside 'special use
airspace' surrounding some events. Blows me away, the divide and conquer methods being employed are working - so many
folks are thinking that this does not affect me, so it is ok....

http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/articles/2009/090490tsa.html?WT.mc_id=090410epilot&WT.mc_sect=gan

Write, call, spread the word.
 
Do they statistically compile responses from people into categories then make decisions based on those numbers?

The several times I've sent something to the inbred congresscritters, I either haven't received any response at all or received a form letter along the lines of yes we are aware of the threat that airliners could and small planes do present yadda yadda blither blither. Followup reponses to their form letters (including putting their ripped up form letter in the envelope) don't seem to help much either. If it's statistical, I'm almost afraid my letters are actually working against us based on their form letter responses.
 
I may not renew my AOPA membership this year if they continue to be so nice. It is time to make it very clear that these 'rules' are unconstitutional. A legal challenge needs to be made and the courts should decide....
 
Frank- it depends on your elected officials. Here's a reply I got from my senator on the LASP
Dear Jack:

Thank you for contacting me regarding the Transportation Security Administration's (TSA) "Large Aircraft Security Program." I was glad to hear your thoughts on this issue.

As you know, TSA recently issued a "Large Aircraft Security Program" Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM), which would extend several security directives currently in place at large commercial airports to our nation's small commercial and general aviation airports. According to the NPRM, the proposal would impact approximately 10,000 aircraft operators and 315 local airports.

I recently contacted Janet Napolitano, Secretary of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, to express my disagreement with this NPRM. While I agree with TSA's role in providing safety to America's travelers, I disagree with its one-size-fits-all approach to security, which TSA apparently intends to apply to both small commercial/general-aviation airports and large commercial airports alike.

As I explained to Secretary Napolitano, small commercial/general-aviation airports and large commercial airports have significant differences when it comes to operations, resources, and security needs. Requiring small commercial and general-aviation airports to sustain around-the-clock law enforcement, meet additional pre-flight and staffing requirements, and prohibit certain maintenance items needed by aircraft operators from being carried onboard are proposals which are both overly costly and unnecessary.

Instead, I endorse a common-sense approach, one which would bring all interested parties together to determine best practices for enhanced safety features to address the ever-changing security needs of small commercial and general-aviation airports. I have encouraged TSA to work with Members of Congress, the aviation community, and the public before implementing any type of rule. Through this process, government and industry stakeholders can achieve a regulatory result meeting the needs and concerns of all involved.


Thank you again for contacting me. A responsive government will only remain responsive with the input of concerned citizens, and I encourage you to continue sharing your thoughts and ideas.

Sincerely,

Ben Nelson
U.S. Senator

Generally, these people respond if there is a number of letters on the same subject (5 is the usual trigger that I remember hearing about). So to answer your question about making decisions based on numbers- yes, they do.

Maybe if we coordinate our efforts- everyone send a letter or e-mail the same day.

I would propose 30 April- time enough to coordinate everyone and not so far in the future. Easy to remember- the last day in April.
 
This reply, while important, is still based on the premise that small GA aircraft are a security problem. Nibble away a little of our freedoms at a time until ???

I like the April 30, 2009 response to these 'secret' "security" measures being inflicted across the nation....
 
The directive only targets those who have regular, unescorted access to the aircraft operating area, secure areas, or security identification display areas at commercial airports. It will affect about 280 of 430 regulated airports.
The rest of us are relegated to irregular, escorted access to aircraft operating areas.
 
Below is an email I sent to my Congresspersons on Friday, with a copy to AOPA, and a shortened version to the White House. If I Had found an email page for the head of DHS, I would have sent one to her as well.

I don't know whether it will do any good, but I considered it my civic duty to try.

Here is where to find contact info for elected officials:

http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml

They don't seem to publish direct email addresses anymore; you have to use the forms on their Web pages. When composing your message, keep in mind that some of the Congresspersons have a 10,000 character limit, and the White House has a 5,000 character limit.
__________________________

The most precious asset of the American People is freedom. As President Obama said in his inaugural address, "As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals. Our Founding Fathers, faced with perils that we can scarcely imagine, drafted a charter to assure the rule of law and the rights of man -- a charter expanded by the blood of generations. Those ideals still light the world, and we will not give them up for expedience sake."

I'm writing to you today about a dictatorial culture that seems to have emerged at the Transportation Security Administration. The TSA seems determined to gather more and more power to itself, and the fact that they are punishing the innocent in the process by taking away our freedoms seems of little concern to them. They have recently been pursuing a series of initiatives that threaten to saddle private aviation with impractical, unaffordable, and probably ineffective restrictions. For example, they have proposed extending their use of secret blacklists such as the no-fly list to some private aircraft. What's next, a "no-drive" list for private automobiles?

They are already requiring background checks for mule drivers, of all things. Where's the sense in that?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/25/mule.skinner.blues/index.html?imw=Y&iref=mpstoryemail

Where will this process stop? Will we eventually be faced with the English equivalent of "papieren, bitte" wherever we go, even on foot? Their needs to be better oversight of this agency, and some means of instilling respect for freedom in its employees.

A recent TSA security directive threatens to seriously hamper general aviation operations at airports that have even a small amount of airline activity. Particularly egregious is the fact that it is a SECRET rule without an adequate process for public comment. It is scheduled to take effect on June 1, 2009, and I believe it is designated as Security Directive 1542-04-08F (although the last letter may have changed in subsequent revisions). In addition to unfunded mandates on the airports themselves, the businesses that are based there, and the pilots who are based there, this directive is thought to impose requirements on pilots and passengers of flights that originate elsewhere, to the extent that they cannot even get in or out of an aircraft without a badged escort present. This may sound innocent enough, but it creates economic, safety and constitutional issues that have apparently not been thought through. The following report of a meeting with the TSA at an airport in Colorado gives an excellent and detailed description of the problem, and shows that the TSA has no clue about the impacts of its directives on the general aviation industry.

http://www.aero-news.net/news/genav...7071071-8B54-4C66-BF6B-239760696F80&Dynamic=1

Here's what the Denver Post had to say about it:

http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_12079380

One of the most egregious aspects of this is the difficulty that has been encountered by organizations responsible for representing the interests of general aviation pilots, such as the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association (AOPA). The TSA has reportedly taken the stance that such organizations do not have standing to even see the security directive, because they are not based at one of the affected airports!

This is unacceptable in a free society. AOPA's membership includes about two thirds of all licensed pilots in the U.S., and they represent both the interests of pilots who are based at these airports, and of those who fly into them from elsewhere. Would the TSA tell an attorney that he could not represent a client who is based at one of the affected airports because he is not personally based there? Would they tell members of Congress that it is none of their business because Congress is not based at one of the affected airports? It's an absurd and arrogant concept.

The Constitution gives the legislative power to Congress. I'm not fully versed on the constitutional justification for allowing Congress to delegate some of that power to the executive branch to create rules and regulations, but part of what makes it acceptable to citizens of our republic is that there is a public comment process for proposed regulations. I gather some justification has been devised for security directives to bypass this process, but when a directive affects as many people as this one does, and creates as many problems for law-abiding people as this one does, it needs to be published for public comment via the Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) process. Historically, this process has created great improvements in proposed regulations, and avoided serious unintended consequences, because the more people who are allowed to view and comment on a proposal, the better are the chances that unfortunate consequences can be discovered and eliminated. The secrecy which the TSA has chosen instead for this security directive means that only a relatively small number of people are able to contribute to the process, which greatly magnifies the possibility of serious problems not being discovered until it is too late.

Another constitutional issue is the right to travel. This is discussed in the comments I recently filed on the TSA's Large Aircraft Security Program proposal:

http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspubl...dfd54&disposition=attachment&contentType=msw8

As I discussed there, the U.S. Supreme Court in Shapiro v. Thompson stated that statutes, rules, or regulations must not unreasonably burden or restrict freedom of travel.

It is thought that the new security directive will mandate escorts for non-badged passengers and pilots on non-airline areas of an airport. These escorts are not going to work for free. The aviation businesses at the airport will either have to hire additional personnel to handle the workload, creating an unreasonable burden on an already economically fragile industry, or unreasonable delays will be created when the number of flights arriving or departing exceeds the number of available escorts. Furthermore, many of these airports do not have people on site 24 hours a day. If that prohibits aircraft from arriving or departing outside of business hours, that creates an unreasonable restriction on the right to travel. One of the reasons this is unreasonable is that it creates safety issues, because it limits the pilot's options in the event of an emergency, and at airports in mountainous areas, early morning or late evening may be the only time it is safe to fly due to the effect of heat, altitude, etc. on aircraft performance.

These issues could induce pilots to choose destinations without airline service in many cases, causing economic hardship for businesses located at the affected airports. In some areas, there may be no non-airline airports available, or the airline airports may be the only ones where ground transportation is available, thus allowing no means of avoiding the directive's onerous and unworkable requirements. The impact in sparsely populated areas of the country would be especially serious, and the impact in Alaska could be devastating.

Particularly incomprehensible is that each mandated security badge will ONLY be valid at one airport. I am baffled as to why, since this is a federal program, there could not be one security badge that would be valid at every airport in the country.

Even the U.S. Air Force Auxiliary (Civil Air Patrol) is concerned about the detrimental impact of this directive on their operations, as described in an email they recently sent to their members.

In summary, I am asking that measures be implemented to ensure adequate oversight of the TSA, to ensure that they don't go too far in trading our freedoms for the perception of security, and that they allow sufficient public comment on their proposals. If I were allowed to file comments on this directive, my suggestion would be to post security guards at the edges of the airliner parking areas (which are clearly marked with red lines on the pavement), and eliminate the impractical, expensive, and ineffective badging and escort requirements for the non-airline areas of an airport.

Sincerely yours,
Richard Palm
Mountain View, CA
 
We get from our politicians and government what we want. We as pilots are not the norm. We are more self dependent, self reliant, willing to take reasonable, calculated risks and want a greater quality of life. The vast majority of Americans are no longer like this. We have become a nation of wusses.

People in this country are very willing to give up freedom for security. Their vision of freedom is having 300 cable channels and a choice of snack foods.
 
Fantastic summary! Thanks for taking the time...

Thanks! If it came out at all coherent, it must have been Divine intervention, because I felt like I could barely see the forest for the trees by the time I got done with it.
 
Did I hear somebody saying "never negotiate with terrorists"? :devil:
 
Here's the "example" letter that was recently sent to all members of the Colorado Pilots Assoc:

I belong to the Colorado Pilots Association which is the only Colorado-based organization created to specifically represent Colorado’s general aviation (GA) pilots. Our 700+ members are strongly opposed to the recently announced TSA Security Directive 1542-08F that would severely impact the role of General Aviation in this country. From “compassion flight” pilots who volunteer their time and aircraft to fly those in need, to weekend citizen pilots looking to cross the country to visit relatives, this directive would have a serious impact.



As written, this directive requires pilots based at air carrier airports to undergo a security threat assessment and receive a security badge in order to continue to have unescorted access to their airports. It’s unknown, at this time, whether a separate badge is required at each commercially serviced airport or whether a single badge will suffice for all airports affected. If the former is the case, it will pose a considerable financial burden to GA in this country. Imagine the Angel Flight pilot who volunteers to fly a cancer victim for treatment from one TSA impacted airport to another and conceivably be required to pay for two badges. We’ve been told the cost for this security clearance and badge may be as high as $150 each. Compassion flights would, most likely, stop.



The TSA and nation’s affected airports need to develop alternatives to the security directive’s requirements that would lessen its impact on GA. All licensed pilots, mechanics, etc. are already being electronically vetted with the Department of Homeland Security watch list, background checks, citizen verification, etc. Licenses for pilots who fail these ongoing checks are being revoked. Tamper-proof licenses have been re-issued to all pilots that pass these checks and these will become mandatory. Therefore, requiring an additional check of the same information solely for the purpose of issuing a separate airport specific ID badge is a waste of time and money. A pilot certificate, combined with a photo ID from a recognized government entity like a state driver’s license, should provide sufficient security ID.



Thank you for considering my thoughts and suggestions. Don’t allow the freedoms that have made this country what it is, to be unnecessarily eroded through draconian rules promulgated by a segment of the federal government that appears to answer to no one.
 
^^^^^^^^


Ken, its basically an anti-government dissent directive. If you disagree with government you are a terrorist. :mad3:
 
I'm not posting this to be politically one-sided but the fact that the DHS would even produce such a document should cause fear in all of us....

http://www.gordonunleashed.com/HSA - Rightwing Extremism - 09 04 07.pdf


So basically this honorably discharged veteran, former law enforcement officer (with a still valid POST certification), and security clearance holder, is a "right wing extremist" because I believe in a limited government, lower taxes, less intrusive government, and that the current government has completely disconnected, and disregards, the public?

I do not advocate violence, but prepare for it in case. I am not one that buys "Guns and Ammo" but I do own firearms and have a concealed weapons permit and do carry on occasion.

What the HELL has happened to this country in that *I* am now considered a threat? What because I do not genuflect at the altar of the federal government and accept, without question, any and all things they do? Last time I looked that was not a terrorist, but a patriot.
 
In case anyone's interested, here's a link to a copy of TSA SD 8F: https://secure.wikileaks.org/leak/tsa-directive-2008.pdf. Note that it only applies if your airport is served by air carriers with more than 60 seats, or the air carrier boarding is not done in a sterile area (see 49 CFR 1544.101(a)).

And let's remember that we're not in SZ on this one.
 
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In case anyone's interested, here's a link to a copy of TSA SD 8F: https://secure.wikileaks.org/leak/tsa-directive-2008.pdf. Note that it only applies if your airport is served by air carriers with more than 60 seats, or the air carrier boarding is not done in a sterile area (see 49 CFR 1544.101(a)).

And let's remember that we're not in SZ on this one.
True. But, that still grabs all the Class C's, a good number of Class D's and even a few Class E Surface Areas as well as Class G airports.

It's a pain and a restriction placed on GA and all users no matter how you slice it.
 
It seems to me that the first thing airport operators should be doing is submitting, as proposed alternate means of compliance, both of the following:

(1) details regarding the geographic separation of the air carrier operation areas from the GA areas; This Directive is clearly founded in the presumption that access to any operational area will de facto grant access to the air carrier operations areas and, assuming that were actually true, the measures set forth by TSA would be prudent; but the assumption which forms the basis of their Directive, is false;

(2)
an alternate means of badging, with badges to be issued under consistent standards on a nationwide basis, and accepted at all airports to which the Directive is applicable.


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I believe that the TSA's refusal to consider either of these alternatives would be a sound basis for legal action.
 
(1) details regarding the geographic separation of the air carrier operation areas from the GA areas; This Directive is clearly founded in the presumption that access to any operational area will de facto grant access to the air carrier operations areas and, assuming that were actually true, the measures set forth by TSA would be prudent;
Spike, I have to disagree with you there. It's not a prudent measure. It might be prudent if 1) there was significant security to be gained from restricting access to that area, 2) if that restriction was effective, 3) badging had _any_ utility in restricting access, and 4) there was a demonstrated or plausible threat to the area.

None of the above is true. Restricting access to that area wouldn't make flying significantly safer. It's also virtually impossible to restrict access effectively, not to mention that badging would be of no help whatsoever in restricting access (ever heard of Photoshop?).

All that aside, there's no actual demonstrated threat, so the TSA could just as well restrict 24 year old males from airports. It's just as arbitrary. Couldn't the arbitrariness be basis for a lawsuit, too?

-Felix
 
That is my thought also. The entire premise that there is a threat is flawed...
 
Interesting that the document listed is secret and each of us who looked at it should be prosecuted because we do not have written permission to view it. Just another ineffective 'rule' that can be selectively enforced...
 
I'd like to get some more information about the TSA feeling that a high threat exists in aviation still....

edit: Oh, and I'm still waiting for the new AOPA president to show that he has the guts that Boyer didn't....

So far, I'm not impressed.
 
What exactly is AOPA trying to say here:

"Pilots should take note that SD-08F is not meant to affect pilots traveling from one GA airport to another; nor is its intent to impact GA pilots stopping at commercial airports for a touch and go or fuel stop.

The directive only targets those who have regular, unescorted access to the aircraft operating area, secure areas, or security identification display areas at commercial airports. It will affect about 280 of 430 regulated airports."

That unintended consequences of the TSA terrorism is acceptable?
 
I think they are saying "don't worry, nothing to see here...move along"...
 
Spike, I have to disagree with you there. It's not a prudent measure. It might be prudent if 1) there was significant security to be gained from restricting access to that area, 2) if that restriction was effective, 3) badging had _any_ utility in restricting access, and 4) there was a demonstrated or plausible threat to the area.

None of the above is true. Restricting access to that area wouldn't make flying significantly safer. It's also virtually impossible to restrict access effectively, not to mention that badging would be of no help whatsoever in restricting access (ever heard of Photoshop?).

All that aside, there's no actual demonstrated threat, so the TSA could just as well restrict 24 year old males from airports. It's just as arbitrary. Couldn't the arbitrariness be basis for a lawsuit, too?

-Felix

Felix:

I believe I got so clever in my wordsmanship, you missed my point.

I believe that there is no meaningful access to the air carrier area of most fields from the GA area, because they are geographically separated. Hence, the essential premise of the TSA's foolish plan has failed.

Nonetheless, you are also correct in your conclusion.
 
I believe that there is no meaningful access to the air carrier area of most fields from the GA area, because they are geographically separated. Hence, the essential premise of the TSA's foolish plan has failed.
The sterile area around the terminal ramp is so far from the GA ramp at AUS, you'd have to be invisible to get there. The tower looks directly down on the terminal and the full path to get there.

Signature's staff can get closer than anyone with their van going between the FBO and the terminal on the road along 17L/35R.
 
Signature's staff can get closer than anyone with their van going between the FBO and the terminal on the road along 17L/35R.
Right, which is an important point. All these measures do is inconvenience us, the good guys. Why do these alleged "security experts" believe that bad guys are stupid? Because they themselves lack imagination, maybe? The terrorists would probably show up dressed as TSA inspectors, complete with fake badges. Or, I don't know, badged airline fuel personnel? Honestly, can we please hire some smart folks to do security :mad2:
 
Richard:

I'd like to reprint your letter in another venue. Please let me know if it's ok or not.

Feel free to contact me privately to discuss this, if you wish.

thanks
 
Huh....I thought the DOD, NASA and the State Dept. did away with the phrase "FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY" (FOUO) years ago....
 
Richard:

I'd like to reprint your letter in another venue. Please let me know if it's ok or not.

Feel free to contact me privately to discuss this, if you wish.

thanks

OK, no problem. And just to satisfy my curiousity, please let me know where, if you can.
 
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Huh....I thought the DOD, NASA and the State Dept. did away with the phrase "FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY" (FOUO) years ago....

CAP is using it, supposedly at the behest of the Air Force or somebody or other in government.
 
Huh....I thought the DOD, NASA and the State Dept. did away with the phrase "FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY" (FOUO) years ago....

FOUO went away in name only. It's now called SSI.... (Same S*** Indeed)...
 
The posts linking to the document have been removed from the red board. If you didn't already download this document, you'll have to find another way to get it.

Keep in mind the classification guidelines from the MX program in the late 70s / early 80s. Among other reasons, information was to be classified if it would serve as an irritant to the other side. I wouldn't be surprised to see something similar here, but "we" are the "other side".
 
The posts linking to the document have been removed from the red board. If you didn't already download this document, you'll have to find another way to get it.

Keep in mind the classification guidelines from the MX program in the late 70s / early 80s. Among other reasons, information was to be classified if it would serve as an irritant to the other side. I wouldn't be surprised to see something similar here, but "we" are the "other side".

Give me a moment and I'll host it. The TSA can bite on my right armpit while fondling my left kneecap for all I care.
 
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