True cause of global warming

EdFred said:
Good. This planet is over populated by about 90% anyway.
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Don't be silly. Those of us who live near sea level aren't going to drown, we're all going to move to higher ground, like, say, Michigan!
-harry
 
mantakos said:
Don't be silly. Those of us who live near sea level aren't going to drown, we're all going to move to higher ground, like, say, Michigan!
-harry
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Nah, none of you own guns. We'll shoot you when you try to come here.
 
mantakos said:
You think nobody in Baltimore owns a gun?
-harry
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I would wager that you don't. I'm not worried that the guys that shoot while holding their "nines" sideways are going to come close to hitting me. Besides, the "thirty ought" will drop em well before they get close enough.
 
jsstevens said:
What? First time I've heard that attribution. I thought it was external pressure from the Goths/Huns.

Can you please elaborate?

John
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The fall of the Western Empire coincided with massive climate change caused by an eruption of Krakatoa. Cooler climates allowed the spread of Yersinia pestis, otherwise known as the Plague. The Eastern Emperor stopped counting plague deaths in Constantinople when they reached a quarter million. No doubt the barbarians had a lot to do with the demise of the Western Empire, and it was admittedly a long slide. But the climate change didn't help any.

Put another way, what would the effect be of uprooting 90% of humanity and making the whole population into rootless refugees? How long before even we slide into anarchy and barbarism? Our nation is about as old as the Empire of Trebizond was at it's dissolution, and you've probably never even heard of it.
 
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steingar said:
The fall of the Western Empire coincided with massive climate change caused by an eruption of Krakatoa. Cooler climates allowed the spread of Yersinia pestis, otherwise known as the Plague. The Eastern Emperor stopped counting plague deaths in Constantinople when they reached a quarter million. No doubt the barbarians had a lot to do with it, and it was admittedly a long slide. But the climate change didn't help any.

Put another way, what would the effect be of uprooting 90% of humanity and making the whole population into rootless refugees? How long before even we slide into anarchy and barbarism?
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That would be a great story if the Krakatoa eruption coincided with the fall of the Western Empire.
 
steingar said:
The fall of the Western Empire coincided with massive climate change caused by an eruption of Krakatoa. Cooler climates allowed the spread of Yersinia pestis, otherwise known as the Plague. The Eastern Emperor stopped counting plague deaths in Constantinople when they reached a quarter million. No doubt the barbarians had a lot to do with the demise of the Western Empire, and it was admittedly a long slide. But the climate change didn't help any.

Put another way, what would the effect be of uprooting 90% of humanity and making the whole population into rootless refugees? How long before even we slide into anarchy and barbarism? Our nation is about as old as the Empire of Trebizond was at it's dissolution, and you've probably never even heard of it.
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Oh my goodness -- someones actually read Thomas Freidman's crap?

Historical selective fact picking.
 
steingar said:
It did. That being the one in the fourth century, not the one in 1883.
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If there was evidence of a 4th century eruption, perhaps. There's not. Plus, the plague hit in the 6th century - also no credible evidence of an eruption then either. The eastern empire was hit with the plague in the 14th century.
 
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EdFred said:
I would wager that you don't. I'm not worried that the guys that shoot while holding their "nines" sideways are going to come close to hitting me. Besides, the "thirty ought" will drop em well before they get close enough.
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-harry
 
dmccormack said:
It's one thing to posses a firearm.

It's a whole 'nuther thing to be able to shoot it accurately.
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Try to get a CCW permit in the socialist workers paradise of Maryland. Good luck. :rolleyes:
 
Actually, I must confess my own inaccuracy. Krakatoa went up in the 6th century, causing massive climate change. The Western Empire was 100 years dead at that point, and thus the two events are unconnected. I genuinely never heard of Thomas Freidman until I read his name in this thread.
 
steingar said:
Actually, I must confess my own inaccuracy. Krakatoa went up in the 6th century, causing massive climate change. The Western Empire was 100 years dead at that point, and thus the two events are unconnected. I genuinely never heard of Thomas Freidman until I read his name in this thread.
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H's a NY Times schill who published a few doom and gloom books lefties pretend to read. They nod thoughtfully and congratulate one another for reading it.

I read it in 15 minutes at a B&N one rainy day.

:YAWN:
 
steingar said:
Actually, I must confess my own inaccuracy. Krakatoa went up in the 6th century, causing massive climate change. The Western Empire was 100 years dead at that point, and thus the two events are unconnected. I genuinely never heard of Thomas Freidman until I read his name in this thread.
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Which points up another consideration: so we spend a few trillion on combating AGW, devastating western civilization along the way. Then another Krakatoa comes along and proves it all a big waste.

Seems a better approach is deal with mitigation as the need arises while we keep our economy thriving so research and innovation can continue to work towards energy alternatives.
 
LDJones said:
Which points up another consideration: so we spend a few trillion on combating AGW, devastating western civilization along the way. Then another Krakatoa comes along and proves it all a big waste.

Seems a better approach is deal with mitigation as the need arises while we keep our economy thriving so research and innovation can continue to work towards energy alternatives.
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So how could the left confiscate wealth and resources to promote heir own made up agendas? :confused:
 
LDJones said:
Which points up another consideration: so we spend a few trillion on combating AGW, devastating western civilization along the way. Then another Krakatoa comes along and proves it all a big waste.

Seems a better approach is deal with mitigation as the need arises while we keep our economy thriving so research and innovation can continue to work towards energy alternatives.
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Climate changing volcanic eruptions are a bit on the rare side however, having occurred twice in recorded history.
 
jsstevens said:
What? First time I've heard that attribution. I thought it was external pressure from the Goths/Huns.

Can you please elaborate?

John
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There is a ton of very credible evidence that the Western Roman Empire suffered from repeated crop failures, which in turn allowed for widespread disease, which in turn caused problems across the entire board (economic, military, etc.), which is what opened the door for the various incursions.

Kind of a transitive property issue there: A=B=C=D=E.
 
Obi Heed Kenobi said:
There is a ton of very credible evidence that the Western Roman Empire suffered from repeated crop failures, which in turn allowed for widespread disease, which in turn caused problems across the entire board (economic, military, etc.), which is what opened the door for the various incursions.

Kind of a transitive property issue there: A=B=C=D=E.
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Yup, but unrelated to the volcanic eruption I was addressing.
 
EdFred said:
If there was evidence of a 4th century eruption, perhaps. There's not. Plus, the plague hit in the 6th century - also no credible evidence of an eruption then either. The eastern empire was hit with the plague in the 14th century.
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"The plague," in this setting, wasn't "The Plague." The general consensus is that it was something more akin to smallpox, which Rome had dealt with going back at least to the time of the Antonines.
 
steingar said:
Yup, but unrelated to the volcanic eruption I was addressing.
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Yeah, I've forgotten the details of what the causes are asserted as, but the decrease in agricultural production, over a very widespread geographic area, was the immediate result.

Which weakened Rome, while simultaneously giving a whole bunch of others a reason to move.

It's not set in stone, but it makes for interesting consideration.
 
Yup. The fall of the Western Empire is a very complex phenomenon that took a very long time. And climate change motivated many of the barbarian tribes to seek their fortunes elsewhere, bringing them to the Roman frontier.
 
steingar said:
Yup. The fall of the Western Empire is a very complex phenomenon that took a very long time. And climate change motivated many of the barbarian tribes to seek their fortunes elsewhere, bringing them to the Roman frontier.
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Time to go read The Decline and Fall again. I'll get back to you in a decade. :)
 
steingar said:
Climate changing volcanic eruptions are a bit on the rare side however, having occurred twice in recorded history.
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Every major eruption in my lifetime have been followed by discussions of their impact on temps and other weather related events. Perhaps not a global impact, but a significant affect nonetheless.
 
LDJones said:
Every major eruption in my lifetime have been followed by discussions of their impact on temps and other weather related events. Perhaps not a global impact, but a significant affect nonetheless.
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Significant but temporary.
-harry
 
Yeah, the eruption in the 6th century gave birth to the black death and possibly Islam, though that is stretching it just a bit.
 
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