"Triple-three seventy two"

Discussion in 'Change to my Frequency...' started by Morgan3820, Nov 4, 2017.

  1. FastEddieB

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    Also, stop and think about such transmissions with a heavy southern or Cajun or even a foreign accent.

    They can already be a bit difficult to make out; roll-your-own folsksy slang would only make it worse.
     
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    So I'm guessing you say "tree, fow-er and fife" in every transmission when those numbers are used?
     
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    I work with a controller who says "tree" all the time - bugs the crap out of me. I go with the "say things in a manner that's easy to understand" mentality and if that fails, I use tree, fow-er and fife.
     
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    The more standardized things are the easier it is to interpret and put them in context, especially with scratchy radio, very busy frequency, foreign accents, as such. I teach the standard way and they can do whatever later.
    Most, but not all, of the charter, corporate and airline pilots seem most of the time to be pretty close to the book. Changing frequencies they'll often say "twenty three fifteen" instead of "one two tree point one five". Old military pilots seem more likely to use "tree, fife, niner". I don't know - to me it's easier to express myself to center if I'm doing it more or less by the book, especially if they are busy.
    Once flew 61111 and found it easier to get across if said, "six one (pause) one one one". The rhythm seemed to avoid brain drops when trying to figure out how many ones were involved. When shortened it's one one one. Know a guy with a airplane with a tail number something like 123GG. On a Thanksgiving trip he called himself 3 gobble gobble and says he got humorous reactions from all but one controller who made him say it per the book.
     
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    Affirmative. If you guys think N-numbers are annoying, try foreign registered aircraft sometime (try PJ-WIS on for size). And yes, those pilots state them correctly.
     
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    Mine is 97993- niner, seven, niner, niner, tree. It is more common than not that ATC screws it up. I correct them the first time, but if they still get it wrong after that I just go with it.

    Only time its cool is when I the Alt setting is 29.99. I always read that back just for its sheer lunacy- "Two, niner, niner, niner for niner seven, niner, niner, three."
     
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    OK, Thanks. Yep, I talked with the controllers at my field and the seemed fine with whichever, except the older one, he didn't say anything. He just kind of scowled at the idea, but I think he is retiring soon. I heard the other controllers say something about having a party when he leaves.
     
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    What a turkey.
     
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    Hey! My accent ain't that bad! Besides, its them Yankee controllers what talk funny anyway . . . . . :smilewinkgrin:

    --signed, Triple Four, Delta Juliet
     
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    I would imagine the controllers at your home field know the plane. I’d expect them to care a bit less. I wonder how they’d feel if everyone just started talking however they wanted on the radio.
     
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    The FAA says "Since concise phraseology may not always be adequate, use whatever words are necessary to get your message across." (AIM 4-2-1b)
     
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    A good comedian knows his audience and reads their mood. I’ve been known to say something light on the radio if there’s nothing else going on, but in crunch time it’s by the book.
     
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    Hard to make the case that November Three Three Three* Seven Two is not “adequate”.

    But, yes, I tell my students to use plain english if they’re not sure exactly how to get across their message otherwise.


    *Or tree, for perfectionists.
     
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    It could be argued that standard phraseology might be inadequate if the tail number is often misheard, or if the person saying it often stumbles over it. :dunno:
     
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    Yes, "fower, fower, fower" would be difficult, especially since a good Southerner can add a couple of extra syllables to many short words.
     
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    My favorite still is the guy who I think is based in Northern GA, who has a twin Cessna with N something XX, and he calls himself Twin Cessna Dos Equis.
     
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    Any Canadians here? Or any all letters country. Or those of you that fly in those countries. How's it up there in Alphabet Soup world. Those can be real tongue twisters. We used to have a regular customer, XBAMO. If you called him 'X-ray bravo alpha mike oscar' he'd just reply, with kind of a 'groan and chuckle' in his voice with Ex Bam Oh
     
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    Let us remember that there are no regulations in place to tell us how pilots should or shouldn't talk. And that's a good thing. We don't need nor want a pilot equivalent to the phraseology in the .65.
     
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    Never said there was. And using standard phraseology is a good thing.
     
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    After much thought, The OP is reserving N515JP. I like the repetition of the 515 and JP has some personal meaning to me. Juliet, at three syllables is a bit of a mouthful but oh well. When the weather warms up in the spring I'm going to get it changed. Problem solved.

    In other news, coming home from Cecil Field last week I had a gear transition light come on. It was night and Mt. Pleasant (KLRO) was right below me so I did a precautionary landing. Everyone was super nice. Had the A&P on the phone in 5 min. and a rental car in 10. I had to wait several days for weather to get back and retrieve the plane. Meanwhile, they put me in a hangar at no charge and had the engine heater plugged in when I drove up. :) Great people.