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Hello,

Flying a small plane for recreation purposes is very cool and a dream come true for many people. But other people have a right to listen to the birds, the wind, a stream, and silence. We're getting to the point in this country where enjoying the sounds of nature is becoming impossible. You can go out in the woods not too far out of town and get away from the cars and lawnmowers, but good luck getting away from the small planes. Aren't pilots infringing upon the rights of others to be able to enjoy the peaceful sounds of nature without what sounds like a gigantic lawnmower ripping across the sky for nearly the entire duration of their walk? In the Willamette valley there is a lot of gorgeous countryside, but don't even think about making a relaxation recording of the sounds of nature here; can't be done because of the extreme abundance of small planes. Unless they can be made quiet, the only solution seems to be to raise fees associated with flying to reduce their prevalence in the sky.
 
We got plenty of noise abatement procedures and wildlife refuge areas which we really do try to follow. I like going out into the countryside to hike or whatever, and I never had a problem of hearing an airplane when I want to listen to something else. In your case the problem is that Willamette Valley is located right in between two airports so it's a bit hard not to have planes flying in that area. If you like about 5nm south-east of there is a wildlife refuge where it should be a lot quieter.

I'm sorry to say this but just like cars, airplanes are a part of the modern world that you can't just get rid off (especially when you live right next to an airport).


And please don't bring up the topic of increasing flying fees here, flying is expensive as it is and you can't just charge people more because you don't like something. On that basis we might as well charge people for bird watching....see my point?
 
Problems with light pollution in areas of the country as well. It's all part of an industrialized society. Pilots do their best to minimize their noise signature but unfortunately you live in an area with numerous airports in the valley. As stated above, you have several parks/wildlife areas you can go to east and west of the valley to get away from it all.

I live in an area where there is a military training route in my backyard. If the noise was really an annoyance I'd move. I can't imagine the general aviation noise you have is any worse than what I experience out here. Sometimes a little bit of compromise is necessary to get along and allow others to exercise their freedoms as you would want.
 
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Noise Pollution said:
Hello,

Flying a small plane for recreation purposes is very cool and a dream come true for many people. But other people have a right to listen to the birds, the wind, a stream, and silence. We're getting to the point in this country where enjoying the sounds of nature is becoming impossible. You can go out in the woods not too far out of town and get away from the cars and lawnmowers, but good luck getting away from the small planes. Aren't pilots infringing upon the rights of others to be able to enjoy the peaceful sounds of nature without what sounds like a gigantic lawnmower ripping across the sky for nearly the entire duration of their walk? In the Willamette valley there is a lot of gorgeous countryside, but don't even think about making a relaxation recording of the sounds of nature here; can't be done because of the extreme abundance of small planes. Unless they can be made quiet, the only solution seems to be to raise fees associated with flying to reduce their prevalence in the sky.
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Lucky for you, General Aviation activity is way down. Probably 50% or more from its peak. So slowly, and with the continuing decline of the activity, you are getting your wish.
 
Noise Pollution said:
Hello,

Flying a small plane for recreation purposes is very cool and a dream come true for many people. But other people have a right to listen to the birds, the wind, a stream, and silence. We're getting to the point in this country where enjoying the sounds of nature is becoming impossible. You can go out in the woods not too far out of town and get away from the cars and lawnmowers, but good luck getting away from the small planes. Aren't pilots infringing upon the rights of others to be able to enjoy the peaceful sounds of nature without what sounds like a gigantic lawnmower ripping across the sky for nearly the entire duration of their walk? In the Willamette valley there is a lot of gorgeous countryside, but don't even think about making a relaxation recording of the sounds of nature here; can't be done because of the extreme abundance of small planes. Unless they can be made quiet, the only solution seems to be to raise fees associated with flying to reduce their prevalence in the sky.
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Sorry, your right not to be offended by anything is not addressed in the constitution.

Raise more fees for what? Tofu research? You want to raise fees (for flying) to curtail the activity because this is how you have been raised, everyone else is to be controlled as you do what I want.

How can you hear birds over the drone of freeways, your iPad buds stuck in your ears. Buy some ear plugs or move ya freak. :rolleyes:

You have no idea how quiet the new aircraft are to address your whining, but that wouldn't stop your crusade and now celeb cause anyway.

Where do you live so I can buzz your house? :lol:

Actually, I agree with you, but to try and **** everyone off with your first post is over the top rude so go **** yourself.
 
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please do not feed the trolls
 
You made an account just to write this? Sounds like a regular on here just wanting to bust balls, get people fired up lol
 
in Latin, this is called Trollus Maximus
 
I spend most of my time in the Willamette Valley inside the region's excellent wineries.
(and I do have my It's Willamette, Damn It!" T-shirt).
 
real noise pollution: spew from talking heads on CNN, MSNBC, Fox. Also include the nonsense from the sports broadcast. And don't forget the pollution from politicians.
 
I wouldn't dismiss this guy as a troll. We had a lawyer near me who was upset by the noise of private planes, he formed a group that I think is now defunct. But during the group's heyday, one or two local pilots figured out where he lives and decided they would exact revenge by continually harassing this guy by buzzing his house. The lawyer figured out who they were and one of the pilots ended up selling his plane and not flying anymore, I believe due to this lawyer. This all seems to have died out. Sorry I couldn't find the link to the article about this guy. I find it interesting that most of the people complaining had recently (within a few years) moved to their new houses and expected absolute solitude. I live near these people and the noise is not bad at all. Yes planes fly overhead, maybe up to 10 a day, but you barely notice them. It is nothing compared to the morons on open header Harley's who love to come out the country and rattle windows for a 1/2 mile.

They will also use the go screw replies against you and depict pilots as uncaring scofflaws.

So the best way to deal with these guys is to figure out where they are and steer clear of them. Some of them are nutty about it, will get your registration number and make your life miserable.



http://www.lowellsun.com/local/ci_4030545

http://www.stopthenoise.org/docs/CvG/COMPLAINT.ammended.pdf

http://stopthenoise.org/docs/CvG/Joint Settlement Statement.pdf

http://www.lowellsun.com/front/ci_4143655
 
No, the best response to ignorant, self-absorbed tools like the thread-starter is to: (1) ignore their mindless rants, and (2) resolve to ensure that, when you are operating your plane, you do so safely and with due consideration of all of those whom your operations might affect, not because of what this guy has to say, but because it is the right thing to do.
 
IIRC, a bunch of years ago AOPA did some sort of noise study at a popular national park. They found that more noise was caused by buses, cars and the people themselves than the single engine plane passing overhead.
 
Welcome to America. Where everyone has the right not to be upset by anything of their choosing. If I decide to be upset by little airplanes then them darn little airplanes have got to go. Just the way it is. Funny thing is I bet most here would gladly ban jetskis(no I don't have one or want one) but it is the same thing as banning stupid little airplanes.
 
PaulS said:
I wouldn't dismiss this guy as a troll. We had a lawyer near me who was upset by the noise of private planes, he formed a group that I think is now defunct. But during the group's heyday, one or two local pilots figured out where he lives and decided they would exact revenge by continually harassing this guy by buzzing his house. The lawyer figured out who they were and one of the pilots ended up selling his plane and not flying anymore, I believe due to this lawyer. This all seems to have died out. Sorry I couldn't find the link to the article about this guy. I find it interesting that most of the people complaining had recently (within a few years) moved to their new houses and expected absolute solitude. I live near these people and the noise is not bad at all. Yes planes fly overhead, maybe up to 10 a day, but you barely notice them. It is nothing compared to the morons on open header Harley's who love to come out the country and rattle windows for a 1/2 mile.

They will also use the go screw replies against you and depict pilots as uncaring scofflaws.

So the best way to deal with these guys is to figure out where they are and steer clear of them. Some of them are nutty about it, will get your registration number and make your life miserable.



http://www.lowellsun.com/local/ci_4030545

http://www.stopthenoise.org/docs/CvG/COMPLAINT.ammended.pdf

http://stopthenoise.org/docs/CvG/Joint Settlement Statement.pdf

http://www.lowellsun.com/front/ci_4143655
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anyone remember the story in the Pacific Flyer (circa 1991) about the guy who flew a 182 at low altitude with high RPM setting over a noise sensitive area near an airport? Turns out the guy lived in the area and was trying to get the airport closed in order to increase the value of his house.
 
I guess I would ask the OP just how many times his peaceful dissertation with nature watching various birds and mammals perform carnal acts on each other has been disrupted by the sound of a small plane flying overhead.

I honestly don't remember once being disturbed in such a manner. Now, I've been woken up in the middle of the night more than once by circling LEO helicopters and airplanes, more so by the loudspeakers and searchlights than the actual rotor and engine noise.
 
Sac Arrow said:
Now, I've been woken up in the middle of the night more than once by circling LEO helicopters and airplanes, more so by the loudspeakers and searchlights than the actual rotor and engine noise.
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You think it might be time to move?
 
Sac Arrow said:
I honestly don't remember once being disturbed in such a manner. Now, I've been woken up in the middle of the night more than once by circling LEO helicopters and airplanes, more so by the loudspeakers and searchlights than the actual rotor and engine noise.
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When is your release date from San Quentin?

:D
 
I lived in Oakland for two years and Berkeley for another two. I never heard a single LEO helicopter. Not once. Maybe once or twice a traffic copter over I-80.

I've lived on the Central Coast for 20 years, and we used to have LEO helos constantly in the fall, looking for pot farms. Not so much anymore. Now, we get the occasional CalFire chopper, but if anyone complains about those, the locals get rather upset. You see, we really like not having our houses burned up by wildfires.

Frankly, we get a lot of noise from tourists driving tour bus sized RVs through narrow roads. Even though KSFO has a transition overhead and there are skydiving operations a few miles away, the tourists make a LOT more noise.

I've been to the Willamette Valley. While it's a nice place, it's not rural and not isolated. Calling it such just means the OP lives in Portland and doesn't understand how land use works outside cities. Farms are NOT quiet places.
 
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All of you guys obviously missed the section in the constitution and bill of rights granting this guy the right to absolute silence whenever he wants, I'm sure any noise he makes is fine.
 
That's in the good and plenty clause.
 
Trolling Internet message boards for recreation purposes is not very cool but still a big thrill for some people. But other people have a right to read on-topic, relevant posts, discuss aviation, debate regulatory issues and so on. We're getting to the point in this country where enjoying the benefits of message boards is becoming impossible. You can go out to an aviation message board and get away from work and chores, but good luck getting away from the trolls and whiners. Aren't trolls infringing upon the rights of others to be able to enjoy the normal flow of conversation without what seems like a giant ignoramus posting drivel in their favorite forum? On POA there are a lot of good people and great topics, but don't even think about spending a few hours catching up without running across someone whining about something; can't be done because of the extreme abundance of small minds. Unless they can be made quiet, the only solution seems to be to raise fees associated with Internet usage to reduce their prevalence behind the keyboard.



:)
 
I had an employee who used to be a controller in Hawthorn (CA) tower. He told the story of the tower supe who went out and bought a house close to the airport and then started bitching (at work even) about the airplane noise.
 
Noise Pollution said:
Hello,

Flying a small plane for recreation purposes is very cool and a dream come true for many people. But other people have a right to listen to the birds, the wind, a stream, and silence. We're getting to the point in this country where enjoying the sounds of nature is becoming impossible. You can go out in the woods not too far out of town and get away from the cars and lawnmowers, but good luck getting away from the small planes. Aren't pilots infringing upon the rights of others to be able to enjoy the peaceful sounds of nature without what sounds like a gigantic lawnmower ripping across the sky for nearly the entire duration of their walk? In the Willamette valley there is a lot of gorgeous countryside, but don't even think about making a relaxation recording of the sounds of nature here; can't be done because of the extreme abundance of small planes. Unless they can be made quiet, the only solution seems to be to raise fees associated with flying to reduce their prevalence in the sky.
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As a native Oregonian, I must object. I apologize to my fellow PoA members that this sort of eye pollution originated from my home state, even taking into consideration it came from the left one third. I would suggest to the OP that if his desire is to live in Oregon, a state of traditionally independent minded and self-reliant individuals, and he seeks solitude, he should move to the vast open spaces of the Eastern part of the state. I should warn him however, to ditch the Birkenstocks and change the California plates on his Prius he he doesn't want it shot to he11.
 
For about 9 months the local medflight helo was kept at the local hospital. Default departure leg would be directly over our house (1/2 mile to the northwest). Given that departures could be at any time during the day or night, and that the helo was pretty loud, we were annoyed. They ended up moving it to the airport which made US happy.

While I didn't appreciate being awoken at night, I did not complain.
 
The sounds of nature are overrated. The sound of a big, round radial is more calming to some. Live and let live.
 
flyingron said:
I had an employee who used to be a controller in Hawthorn (CA) tower. He told the story of the tower supe who went out and bought a house close to the airport and then started bitching (at work even) about the airplane noise.
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Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!
 
Noise Pollution said:
but don't even think about making a relaxation recording of the sounds of nature here; can't be done because of the extreme abundance of small planes.
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Take your relaxation nature audio porn elsewhere.

Wait, you said there was an airplane in there.. please upload the recording in question.
 
Threefingeredjack said:
As a native Oregonian, I must object. I apologize to my fellow PoA members that this sort of eye pollution originated from my home state, even taking into consideration it came from the left one third. I would suggest to the OP that if his desire is to live in Oregon, a state of traditionally independent minded and self-reliant individuals, and he seeks solitude, he should move to the vast open spaces of the Eastern part of the state. I should warn him however, to ditch the Birkenstocks and change the California plates on his Prius he he doesn't want it shot to he11.
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What do you expect from a state where you can't even pump your own gas. :)
 
bartmc said:
What do you expect from a state where you can't even pump your own gas. :)
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I pump my own gas in Oregon. You just can't do it at a retail outlet. I have a commercial fuel account, and use their convenient locations statewide, as do many many others, and a tank on my property. I rarely visit a "service" station. Oddly enough I can fill my planes at self-serve pumps at most any airport in the state. :dunno:
 
Threefingeredjack said:
I pump my own gas in Oregon. You just can't do it at a retail outlet. I have a commercial fuel account, and use their convenient locations statewide, as do many many others, and a tank on my property. I rarely visit a "service" station. Oddly enough I can fill my planes at self-serve pumps at most any airport in the state. :dunno:
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Funny how that works huh. California isn't one of those mandatory full service states. You can't find "full service" stations here anymore (not that you'd want them) and the last time I didn't pump my own gas in my airplane was at least five years ago.
 
Sac Arrow said:
Funny how that works huh. California isn't one of those mandatory full service states. You can't find "full service" stations here anymore (not that you'd want them) and the last time I didn't pump my own gas in my airplane was at least five years ago.
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There is one gas station in my town. The sign out front says "self service," but the owner personally pumps the gas for everyone and washes the windows. He'll even check the oil if you ask him.

It's REAL nice when it's frosty out (yes, we do get frost in California) and I can sit in the car sipping hot coffee.
 
I'm not trying to be funny or flippant, but I honestly hate the sound birds make.
 
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