The ultimate user fee

Bob Noel said:
How about the people who are driving less? Shall we tax them for the miles they should have driven.
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I have no need for a rabbit hutch house in a city nor do I have any desire to have one. Should I have to pay the developers because they think I should have bought one? Same thing.

More taxes, less taxes, higher taxes, lower taxes, more fees, less fees, higher costs, lower costs, blah, blah, blah, blah. None of that is the real actual problem here. Money itself is the real underlying problem. It's totally defective. It doesn't work. It's an outdated shoddily designed concept to start with. It should be chucked in the dumpster like a 2 year old computer and replaced with something else that actually works for it's intended purpose. Think about it.
 
fgcason said:
Money itself is the real underlying problem. It's totally defective. It doesn't work. It's an outdated shoddily designed concept to start with. It should be chucked in the dumpster like a 2 year old computer and replaced with something else that actually works for it's intended purpose. Think about it.
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I'll turn it into mulch for you, so send me all you got.
 
EdFred said:
But, maybe the interstate system can be entirely funded by commercial operations. The commercial ops have to hit the weigh stations anyway, and I don't think there is a privacy issue violation in tracking commercial ops. For the comm ops it's a net 0 anyway because they are just going to pass the cost along to the consumers anyhow. Either way we pay, but it can be done without tracking 100,000,000 cars.
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That's an excellent idea. The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration is moving along a path to require electronic on-board recorders on trucks to track drivers' duty time compliance already. If the two requirements are put in place at the same time, a single device could be used to do the tracking for both, in addition to being simpler to implement due to the lower number of vehicles.
 
EdFred said:
The Nissan Leaf can travel thousands of miles of roads and pay $0 towards the usage of them. But I'm paying for roads it when I'm not even using them. Cutting my grass, using my snowblower, riding the ATVs, using my chainsaw, etc...
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You can get the federal gas tax money back for the gas you use off-road if you keep good enough records. IRS Form 4136.
 
gismo said:
When I lived near Chicago, I found that when driving on the toll roads there the tolls cost me more than the gasoline for the same trip.
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Before the 2005 toll increase in Illinois and the push towards open-road tolling, the truck tolls cost anywhere from $1.25 to $2.15 but the extra fuel used just for the stop and start to pay the toll was more than that.
 
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