The often promised cheaper ADSB is happening

Fwiw.... It's just the out solution. If you want IN, your right back where we started.
 
Going to check it out ,at sun n fun,if they have a booth.
 
Unit74 said:
Fwiw.... It's just the out solution. If you want IN, your right back where we started.
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Yeah, but the complainers are complaining they are being _forced_ to buy a solution they don't want. Clearly, they have no interest in "in" so now they just have to spend $2k...

:)
 
Is there any clue what the installation cost will be?
 
Unit74 said:
Fwiw.... It's just the out solution. If you want IN, your right back where we started.
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But ADS-B IN can be achieved already with potable units like Stratus and ForeFlight.

The ADS-B out can't be achieved by portable.
 
dans2992 said:
Yeah, but the complainers are complaining they are being _forced_ to buy a solution they don't want. Clearly, they have no interest in "in" so now they just have to spend $2k...

:)
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And add another $1k or so for a tablet plus ADSB-in if they ever decide they want it. The $2k for the OUT is without labor, but my assumption is that it won't take more than a few hours to install.
 
And true to form, it is much less expensive in the experimental world.
 
One of the many reasons I'm not an early adopter.

We still have 5 years left, which in the tech world is a life time.
 
I am hoping that in the end the FAA comes to their senses and allows a portable solution. While there may not be a way to validate accuracy, it seems that perhaps they will allow for flight in Class C, or at least under the veil, and maybe the TSO units required for Class B and A. I suspect a lot of plane owners would opt for a portable solution even if we were restricted from flying in Class B airspace.
 
Rcmutz said:
I am hoping that in the end the FAA comes to their senses and allows a portable solution. While there may not be a way to validate accuracy, it seems that perhaps they will allow for flight in Class C, or at least under the veil, and maybe the TSO units required for Class B and A. I suspect a lot of plane owners would opt for a portable solution even if we were restricted from flying in Class B airspace.
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ironically, if that comes to pass I might not be able to take the transponder-equipped travelair inside today's classB mode-C veil, but I could charge right in with the champ with no electrical system at all
 
AuntPeggy said:
Is there any clue what the installation cost will be?
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According to AvWeb,

http://www.avweb.com/blogs/insider/Meanwhile-This-Week-in-ADS-B-News-223717-1.html

Highlight (Lowlight?) from above article:

That gets us to the next acorn rolled our way from FreeFlight Systems, which announced this week what it calls RANGR Lite. For $1995, it’s a UAT Out-only solution; no free weather or traffic with In. We’re assured that this time, the price is complete with antennas and control head. It has the required self-contained WAAS GPS. Shops tell us it ought to install for $2000, so around $4000 all-in. Getting warmer. An owner could get lucky and put it together for a little under $4000.
 
A GDl88 is $5k installed. Doesn't seem like much of a big win to me. :rolleyes2:



Steve Job said:
According to AvWeb,

http://www.avweb.com/blogs/insider/Meanwhile-This-Week-in-ADS-B-News-223717-1.html

Highlight (Lowlight?) from above article:

That gets us to the next acorn rolled our way from FreeFlight Systems, which announced this week what it calls RANGR Lite. For $1995, it’s a UAT Out-only solution; no free weather or traffic with In. We’re assured that this time, the price is complete with antennas and control head. It has the required self-contained WAAS GPS. Shops tell us it ought to install for $2000, so around $4000 all-in. Getting warmer. An owner could get lucky and put it together for a little under $4000.
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its a self-contained box that needs power and a couple of antennae. There is no way that costs $2k to install
 
Rcmutz said:
I am hoping that in the end the FAA comes to their senses and allows a portable solution. While there may not be a way to validate accuracy, it seems that perhaps they will allow for flight in Class C, or at least under the veil, and maybe the TSO units required for Class B and A. I suspect a lot of plane owners would opt for a portable solution even if we were restricted from flying in Class B airspace.
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Unfortunately, some of us don't have that option, living under class B and i side the mode c veil.
 
JHW said:
its a self-contained box that needs power and a couple of antennae. There is no way that costs $2k to install
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I would think it still has to interface with the transponder, unless it can detect the code wirelessly (no reason why it shouldn't be able to). I know the L3 NGT-1000 solution requires a separate control box (another $1200) for every transponder except the GTX-327 or GTX-330.

https://www.l-3avionics.com/products/lynx/models
 
Steve Job said:
I would think it still has to interface with the transponder, unless it can detect the code wirelessly (no reason why it shouldn't be able to). I know the L3 NGT-1000 solution requires a separate control box (another $1200) for every transponder except the GTX-327 or GTX-330.

https://www.l-3avionics.com/products/lynx/models
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Some of the units have a sniffer which clamps around the transponder antenna coax and reads the squawk code.

The reality is that these should be 4 wire installs: GPS, Power, Ground, Transponder. Most aren't.
 
Steve Job said:
I would think it still has to interface with the transponder, unless it can detect the code wirelessly (no reason why it shouldn't be able to). I know the L3 NGT-1000 solution requires a separate control box (another $1200) for every transponder except the GTX-327 or GTX-330.

https://www.l-3avionics.com/products/lynx/models
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ok that's a handful of wires from a box that's probably mounted right next to it. It's no big deal.
 
I don't think certified would allow for a "sniffer" to determine the code.

I DO think that if they can get it small enough to panel mount, install costs could be significantlly reduced.
 
Unit74 said:
I don't think certified would allow for a "sniffer" to determine the code.
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That's how some of the already certificated Garmin boxes work.

ADS B has to transmit the same squawk code and get the altitude from the same source as the mode C.
 
I was at an avionics shop yesterday, and asked them about ballpark installation costs for the new FreeFlight unit. He said we would need a new altitude encoder with the proper output (not the old style Gray code we have now) to feed the ADS-B box (approx $400), plus $1500-2000 for installation. So at least $4000 all in.

This was Radio Ranch at KSQI - Rock Falls, Illinois.
 
Steve Job said:
I was at an avionics shop yesterday, and asked them about ballpark installation costs for the new FreeFlight unit. He said we would need a new altitude encoder with the proper output (not the old style Gray code we have now) to feed the ADS-B box (approx $400), plus $1500-2000 for installation. So at least $4000 all in.

This was Radio Ranch at KSQI - Rock Falls, Illinois.
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This sounds odd. From what I have been reading, the FreeFlight unit is supposed to use the altitude encoder from your already installed Mode C or Mode S xpdr.
 
Fearless Tower said:
This sounds odd. From what I have been reading, the FreeFlight unit is supposed to use the altitude encoder from your already installed Mode C or Mode S xpdr.
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I had two shops tell me the same before my GDL88. Some encoders are GTG. Others will need to be replaced. It was a couple hundred more for a new encoder if needed.
 
Fearless Tower said:
This sounds odd. From what I have been reading, the FreeFlight unit is supposed to use the altitude encoder from your already installed Mode C or Mode S xpdr.
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From what I understand, a newer style encoder is required with a digital output (rs-232 connector), which will feed the old transponder as well as the new ADS-B box (single source altitude encoding is part of the mandate, he said). They will also have to install two antennas - one for the WAAS GPS, and another to transmit the ADS-B out signal (978 MHz - UAT in this case).
 
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Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe said:
The GDL-84 and GDL-88 have the "wireless "Autosquawk" "...
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I read the installation manual and it does talk about a wireless transponder connection. But it does not talk about "auto squawk".

Not that its a big deal to me, but my reading led me to believe it was not a sniffer, rather, a Bluetooth-type connection for higher end gear. But I am no installation tech either. All the info and diagrams only showed wired connections.

Do you happen to have an article or Garmin data on the auto-detect function? I can't find any.
 
JimNtexas said:
They formed their LLC in 1981.
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That does not indicate they will be in business to support their products. Small companies get bought out or close up and their products are orphans with no support.
 
Unit74 said:
Do you happen to have an article or Garmin data on the auto-detect function? I can't find any.
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No - not handy. I found it some time ago when I was trying to figure out what would work with my moldy oldie KT-76A which has no interface to anything other than the grey code input from the encoder.
 
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