The FAA wants you to rate your DPE

Doc Holliday said:
There’s been enough burned already. And not sure why cash is “antiquated”. Certainly not around here.
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Even though I grew up in a cash-only society, carrying cash makes me uneasy. I honestly can’t remember the last time I had more than $100 in my wallet. I’ve also lost cash before - most memorably when I sold an old car and the buyer paid in cash. I left the money in my other car, planning to deposit it soon, but that money was stolen before I made it to the bank.

Yes, I know - I don’t lock my car or my front door. One could argue that I should be more vigilant of theives, but that simply isn’t my nature. For me, a check or an electronic payment - Zelle, Venmo, PayPal - works far better. I understand that some people prefer cash, and that’s perfectly fine; it’s just not convenient for me.

When I give flight instruction, some students have tried to pay me in cash, but I usually ask them to send it electronically if possible. Otherwise, I have to make a special trip to the bank. We’re typically talking about $50 or $100 here, not the several thousand dollars a DPE might collect in a single day. I assume DPEs are either making daily bank runs. or saving the cash under a pillow. I can't imagine that it is super convenient for them either.
 
sarangan said:
Even though I grew up in a cash-only society, carrying cash makes me uneasy. I honestly can’t remember the last time I had more than $100 in my wallet. I’ve also lost cash before - most memorably when I sold an old car and the buyer paid in cash. I left the money in my other car, planning to deposit it soon, but that money was stolen before I made it to the bank.

Yes, I know - I don’t lock my car or my front door. One could argue that I should be more vigilant of theives, but that simply isn’t my nature. For me, a check or an electronic payment - Zelle, Venmo, PayPal - works far better. I understand that some people prefer cash, and that’s perfectly fine; it’s just not convenient for me.

When I give flight instruction, some students have tried to pay me in cash, but I usually ask them to send it electronically if possible. Otherwise, I have to make a special trip to the bank. We’re typically talking about $50 or $100 here, not the several thousand dollars a DPE might collect in a single day. I assume DPEs are either making daily bank runs. or saving the cash under a pillow. I can't imagine that it is super convenient for them either.
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Whatever. I usually keep $1500 or more on me, never been nervous about it.

My ATM will allow me $2k per day if I want it.

And the bank is a couple miles away.
 
Like everything faa related, DPEs are a special kind of, well, different.

I know more fired DPEs than active DPEs… that’s gotta say something. I also ran a 61/141 flight school, so had meaningful contact with a variety of them.

For some reason, the faa really keeps a strange eye on these guys. As a result I’ve seen them fail people for things they shouldn’t be… I’ve been an instructor and evaluator my entire adult life, I know bs reasons when I see them.

Why it is the way it is, is beyond me. There should be performance objective or at least verifiable metrics on anything. I agree with the above post that it seems unlikely the faa can pull that off however.

There will ALWAYS be bogus reviews… I reckon if you’re savvy enough to become a pilot you can weed your way through them, so it doesn’t really matter.

I took a stab at becoming a DPE, until a good friend of mine did… gotta say, that was enough for me. No thanks.

They’re not bad guys, but they’re in a weird enough system to make it a mess DESPITE them, probably not BECAUSE of them.

Yes, it’s a mess. There are systemic scheduling problems. I don’t know a solution so I don’t really complain about it… working on other fronts right now like aeromedical folks… where again, there MUST be metrics. DPEs got you for a day or two and a couple thousand measly bucks. Aeromedical folks are ruining LIVES and CAREERS. To the tune of MILLIONS.

northrup’s most salient point at Oshkosh last summer was “help us help you”, get your aeromedical package right the first time. Uh, WHAT? Isn’t that the AMEs job? And yes, screwing that up is the single biggest short term problem, yet there is NO WAY of knowing if a doc can do it or not… and once he messes it up, finding a new doc is “doctor shopping”… but you can always go to a different DPE.

This effort supports an argument for aeromedical metrics. I’m in favor.
 
The FAA releases the stats on pass/fail rates but only in aggregate, I assume somebody over there is tracking performance on a per-dpe level... I also would imagine that anybody out of the normal bounds for either pass or fail would get some sort of attention, causing them to need to push some BS failures through to bring their pass rate back down? I don't think there is anything even remotely similar being tracked for AMEs.
 
chocolatecake said:
The FAA releases the stats on pass/fail rates but only in aggregate, I assume somebody over there is tracking performance on a per-dpe level... I also would imagine that anybody out of the normal bounds for either pass or fail would get some sort of attention, causing them to need to push some BS failures through to bring their pass rate back down?
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Yes, you are imagining this.......... :rolleyes:
 
chocolatecake said:
I assume somebody over there is tracking performance on a per-dpe level...
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When an examiner schedules a checkride, he enters it into the Designee Management System (DMS). After the checkride he enters the outcome to close out the record.

Prior to DMS examiners had to maintain paper records and submit them to their supervising inspector annually at renewal time. Now the inspector can monitor via DMS.
 
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