Student Pilot in trouble

[bbchien]

Go to the Rational Recovery website and take the free AVRT course. I don't know if you'll ever have a chance working for the government since they are holier than thou...

Well...hey you elected congress....(and how sober do you think Congress is....like as in "tip" O'Nell?)

...but your chances in aviation definitely are not over as long you quit drinking forever.

We have a guy locally who was already on staff when he got his, and he had to sign the "any thing futher, even just conduct and I waive my right to process, and I'm gone" contract.

Like I said, it can be done but it's definitely "bottom of the pile" and "Two strikes and you're out" (provided you EVER get in).

 

[JohnWF]

I spent 30-years with the CAA and FAA and worked in just about every sort of facility they have or had. I have a deep understanding of what has been lost by this fellow. I can't say how sorry I feel for him (I am a vet also) but personal responsibility says the 'piper must be paid' ... this is all too sorry.

 

[Unregistered]

I'm sure it will be a long, challenging road for you.. but don't throw in the towel just yet. Who knows, a really great cover letter in the future may explain yourself and distinguish yourself just enough to get that first foot in the door. If this is something you really want and are passionate about you'll find a way.



On that note, I'd rather fly with this guy than the kid in the other thread who can't spell and enjoys a blunt "occasionally".

 

[Unregistered]

Well if I'm pretty much gone then it doesn't really matter if I report or not. Thanks for the advice guys, I guess I have no chance in aviation. At least I know that now before wasting all my money, I can at least use my money towards something I can be successful in and be a productive member of society. Thank you to everyone for their advice

I was arrested for DUI when I was a student pilot. At that time, I was told by other pilots I would NEVER be successful.

By the time I was 31, I was a Captain on a DC9, and was making close to 90,000 per year. Since then my pay has only gone up, and I have been continually employed in the aviation industry for 25 years.

If aviation is what you truly want, you will succeed. Don't know about the government side of things, but there are better jobs anyway.

Just don't do it again.

 

[poadeleted20]

I did, and the "FAA regs" are - well, regulatory. As in, they have legal authority.

But they are not criminal law, and that's the place where you need the lawyer, not filling out your FAA medical application. I agree with having a criminal defense lawyer help with the DUI process, but if you can't understand 14 CFR 61.15 or the FAA medical application instructions or your school's policies even after a CFI and/or school advisor has explained them to you, then even an aviation-specialist attorney probably isn't going to help you understand them, either. Or are you suggesting that we all need a lawyer to help us fill out our 8500-8's?

 

[yachtjim]

Well if I'm pretty much gone then it doesn't really matter if I report or not. Thanks for the advice guys, I guess I have no chance in aviation. At least I know that now before wasting all my money, I can at least use my money towards something I can be successful in and be a productive member of society. Thank you to everyone for their advice

At least you didn't kill anybody. I think you should be thankful you got stopped instead plowing into a car full of kids.

What is with this unregistered stuff anyway? You guys all realize every post is attached to an IP address, so if anybody wants to know who you are they can easily find out.

 

[bbchien]

I was arrested for DUI when I was a student pilot. At that time, I was told by other pilots I would NEVER be successful.

By the time I was 31, I was a Captain on a DC9, and was making close to 90,000 per year. Since then my pay has only gone up, and I have been continually employed in the aviation industry for 25 years.

Yes. but you have to admit times were different back then....

If aviation is what you truly want, you will succeed. Don't know about the government side of things, but there are better jobs anyway.

Just don't do it again.

Amen.

 

[JOhnH]

I was arrested for DUI when I was a student pilot. At that time, I was told by other pilots I would NEVER be successful.

By the time I was 31, I was a Captain on a DC9, and was making close to 90,000 per year. Since then my pay has only gone up, and I have been continually employed in the aviation industry for 25 years.

If aviation is what you truly want, you will succeed. Don't know about the government side of things, but there are better jobs anyway.

Just don't do it again.

Yeah, but DUI was practically a badge of courage and a testament to social standing back then. Times have changed.

 

[docmirror]

Or are you suggesting that we all need a lawyer to help us fill out our 8500-8's?

Only people with situations like the OP. Oh, and plenty of regulations carry criminal penalties, despite them not being criminal statutes. I know a guy right now who is spending time in prison for flying his plane too low and hitting a power line. Mens rea has no meaning in the 21st century.

Look, I advised getting pro advise. You advised admitting everything right from the get-go. If you disagree with getting advise from an expert, I can live with that, just hope you can live with someone who disagrees with you. I have some history in this area, and it made a huge difference in my life. The fact that you disagree with my advice is fine, but if you think your op-ed is the only one - I'm amazed you can get your head through the bedroom door in the morning.

 

[poadeleted20]

Look, I advised getting pro advise. You advised admitting everything right from the get-go.

If you think I ever said that, you have me confused with some other poster. All I did was explain the FAA requirements for reporting the events about which the OP asked. :bye:

 

[bbchien]

Being an engineer by trade, I"m a pretty black and white guy. Except when it comes to criminal law. There are so many shades of gray, they can't even be counted.

The trouble here, is than in administrative law, the only thing the attorney can do is system, is, "did he follow the rules". He can make and has no expertise to influence the decisionmaking of the Medical Staff at Civil Aeromedical. The moment the attorney gets involved, it's going to be a 3 year ordeal, because all discussion is between DOT General Counsel and your Attorney, and neither really understands what the medical decisionmaking involves.

It needs to be kept Dr. to Dr. to make any progress. BT-Seen that.

 

[Rational Recovery]

Well...hey you elected congress....(and how sober do you think Congress is....like as in "tip" O'Nell?)

This had nothing to do with what I said and I have no idea why you posted some random remark about congress.

The sooner OP learns that the FAA does not accept moderate drinking the better off he will be. There are lots of avenues to going tea-total.

 

[bbchien]

This had nothing to do with what I said and I have no idea why you posted some random remark about congress.

The sooner OP learns that the FAA does not accept moderate drinking the better off he will be. There are lots of avenues to going tea-total.

Actually, that blanket is not quite true. For third class, after two years down, no repeat infractions (after only ONE infraction in which toleranace was "Probable"), you can go back to 3rd class and keep drinkin', so long as you are smart enough to never get another DUI.

The comment was not random. Congress mandated in 2009, the current effort by FAA to curb alcohol related operational mishaps. The Hon. James Oberstar, presiding. The comment about "tip" o'Neal was pointed at the hypocracy of Congress. The "Tipster" had a teeny leetle shrunken cirrhotic liver....

 

[wabower]

Who cares?

At least you didn't kill anybody. I think you should be thankful you got stopped instead plowing into a car full of kids.

What is with this unregistered stuff anyway? You guys all realize every post is attached to an IP address, so if anybody wants to know who you are they can easily find out.

 

[Rational Recovery]

Actually, that blanket is not quite true. For third class, after two years down, no repeat infractions (after only ONE infraction in which toleranace was "Probable"), you can go back to 3rd class and keep drinkin', so long as you are smart enough to never get another DUI.

The comment was not random. Congress mandated in 2009, the current effort by FAA to curb alcohol related operational mishaps. The Hon. James Oberstar, presiding. The comment about "tip" o'Neal was pointed at the hypocracy of Congress. The "Tipster" had a teeny leetle shrunken cirrhotic liver....

That is not what I was told by a HIMS AME, he told me the FAA does not allow moderate drinking because that one lady who started moderation management ended up killing a couple of people in a homicide DUI.

I later found out that incident occurred 2 months after she quit moderation management and joined AA. He left out a pretty important fact - I wish I knew that at our meeting.

 

[bbchien]

That is not what I was told by a HIMS AME, he told me the FAA does not allow moderate drinking because that one lady who started moderation management ended up killing a couple of people in a homicide DUI.

I later found out that incident occurred 2 months after she quit moderation management and joined AA. He left out a pretty important fact - I wish I knew that at our meeting.

I think you didn't hear him carefully. He was probalby talking second and first classes.

 

[Roguelement]

I'm utterly amazed and deeply ashamed of the level of hypocrisy that is so obviously an FAA trademark , while certain wreckless aircraft fly where ever they chose in what's called commanded air space dumping ton's of dangerous Aluminum / Barium as well as other's without so much as a whisper from our dear beloved honorable lawful FAA , and the more we learn the more disgusted we become. Can you imagine the disgraceful arrogance or the reason's of anyone who presumes it's AOk because "they said it was" So with the family's of the very pilot's responsible for these flights at home or in school it beg's the question how many have mentioned what they do to there very family's, the one's they claim to support and care for ? Maybe they live with gas mask's on 24/7 in any event the soil PH is changing and guess who applied for a patent for Aluminum resistant seed's ? You guessed it the very company that has the contract for supplying the Aluminum / Barium "Monsanto" while Raytheon supply's the technogeeks, now why would they ever think to do something like that, isn't that sorta like insider trading

 

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

wreckless aircraft

That sounds like a good thing to me.

 

[spinfire]

How can you describe the choice to break the law and put people's lives in danger as a "judgement call"?

I interpret the phrase "judgement call" to mean a case where you attempt to use your judgement to make a decision regardless of the quality of that decision. The dictionary seems to agree. In this case the choice to break the law and put people's live in danger is indeed a "judgement call" it just happens to be a particularly bad one. The OP described their judgement call as "seriously bad" so they do seem to understand that.

 

[Skylane81E]

I'm utterly amazed and deeply ashamed of the level of hypocrisy that is so obviously an FAA trademark , while certain wreckless aircraft fly where ever they chose in what's called commanded air space dumping ton's of dangerous Aluminum / Barium as well as other's without so much as a whisper from our dear beloved honorable lawful FAA , and the more we learn the more disgusted we become. Can you imagine the disgraceful arrogance or the reason's of anyone who presumes it's AOk because "they said it was" So with the family's of the very pilot's responsible for these flights at home or in school it beg's the question how many have mentioned what they do to there very family's, the one's they claim to support and care for ? Maybe they live with gas mask's on 24/7 in any event the soil PH is changing and guess who applied for a patent for Aluminum resistant seed's ? You guessed it the very company that has the contract for supplying the Aluminum / Barium "Monsanto" while Raytheon supply's the technogeeks, now why would they ever think to do something like that, isn't that sorta like insider trading

Lolwut?

 

[HighFlyingA380]

I'm utterly amazed and deeply ashamed of the level of hypocrisy that is so obviously an FAA trademark , while certain wreckless aircraft fly where ever they chose in what's called commanded air space dumping ton's of dangerous Aluminum / Barium as well as other's without so much as a whisper from our dear beloved honorable lawful FAA , and the more we learn the more disgusted we become. Can you imagine the disgraceful arrogance or the reason's of anyone who presumes it's AOk because "they said it was" So with the family's of the very pilot's responsible for these flights at home or in school it beg's the question how many have mentioned what they do to there very family's, the one's they claim to support and care for ? Maybe they live with gas mask's on 24/7 in any event the soil PH is changing and guess who applied for a patent for Aluminum resistant seed's ? You guessed it the very company that has the contract for supplying the Aluminum / Barium "Monsanto" while Raytheon supply's the technogeeks, now why would they ever think to do something like that, isn't that sorta like insider trading

Lolwut?

 

[Jack Spectre]

...dumping ton's of dangerous Aluminum / Barium....guess who applied for a patent for Aluminum resistant seed's ? You guessed it the very company that has the contract for supplying the Aluminum / Barium "Monsanto" while Raytheon supply's the technogeeks, now why would they ever think to do something like that, isn't that sorta like insider trading

You're too late. They got to us already. Everybody here has had aluminum resistant seeds for quite some time.

If you don't have them, all is lost.

All is lost...