Stadium TFRs?

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  1. NoBShere

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    So do I have this correct? If a towered airport lies within a stadium TFR and I want to takeoff to go to dinner outside the TFR and then return all while the TFR is in effect (not sure that the TFR will be in effect for the return flight but maybe), I just need to talk to tower prior to entering TFR area on return (takeoff is a given)? They may or may not give me a squawk code. Is there a possibility that the tower could tell me "no" on the return?
     
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    Well, you need to have been cleared or reasonably expect clearance, as in "Bugsmasher 1234 report crossing 520 bridge, expect left base runway 16L."

    ---Not sure just talking to them meets the intent.

    I don't think the Stadium TFR would give cause for them to refuse your request to enter class D.
     
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    yes but it doesn't hurt to be explicit. ("Tower, Skyhawk 12345, 3000 over Lake Albert with information hotel for landing through the stadium TFR")
    TFR or not there's always a slim chance they can say "aircraft calling over the lake remain outside my airspace". I've had that happen without a TFR.
     
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    You also have to be on a flight plan.
     
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    Ask the tower directly.
     
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    I don't have time to look it up now but it's my understanding that to operate in a TFR you must be on a flight plan. (IFR or VFR) It doesn't say it in the NOTAM but in the FAR's I think. I've heard of other people that have had to open a flight plan on the ground inside a TFR before they take off. I MAY BE WRONG SO LOOK IT UP BEFORE YOU GO!!! Good luck!!!
     
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    Haha. Well coming to POA cleared things up!
     
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    My understanding is different than @lancie00's The stadium TFR at CLL (aka Texas A&M Aggieland) does not require a flight plan, but it does prohibit transient and training operations.

    So, I've been inbound VFR many times, with no filed plan, but intending full stop there and no issues.

    Also, returning on Saturdays sometimes includes flying through the Stadium TFR for the TCU Horned Frogs. Again, no flight plan needed, just don't loiter in the TFR space.
     
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    They normally don’t care, might ask you to just not fly directly over the game, just ask, 9/10 no biggie, most I’ve crossed I haven’t been on a flight plan or anything, it’s not some of the more serious TFRs, just talk before you enter.
     
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    No clearance is required. Any ATC instruction that send you thru works.
     
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    But what if you're inbound (or outbound) and towing a banner ?
     
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    It just says to follow ATC instructions:

    A) THE AIRCRAFT OPERATION HAS BEEN AUTHORIZED BY ATC FOR OPERATIONAL OR SAFETY PURPOSES, INCLUDING AUTHORIZATION OF FLIGHTS SPECIFICALLY ARRIVING AT OR DEPARTING FROM AN AIRPORT DESIGNATED BY ATC USING STANDARD ATC PROCEDURES AND ROUTES

    Also:

    PILOTS MUST CONTINUOUSLY SQUAWK AN ATC-ASSIGNED BEACON CODE AND MAINTAIN 2-WAY RADIO CONTACT WITH ATC WHILE OPERATING IN THE DEFINED AIRSPACE.

    I would not overthink it.
     
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    That’s it. Well, besides just talking to the Tower, ya gotta do what they say. They can tell you no. They can tell anyone no anytime, TFR or not. But they don’t do it indiscriminately. The purpose of them is to just avoid fluster clucks of sightseeing planes crowding the sky over the Stadiums. Towers may adjust typical flows of traffic like downwinds on the other side than usual etc. May turn down practice approaches, stuff like that.
     
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    If you're making a straight-in to 16L/R at KBFI during a Mariners game you're gonna be going almost right over the stadium. Not that you'd care much to see it, given the way they played this year ... :(:rolleyes:
     
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    Thanks for the replies. Much appreciated.
     
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    I think you’re confusing stadium tfr’s with Canada overflights.
     
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    It's pretty far out, but ILS/straight ins to the 28's at PIT go right over both PNC Park and Heinz Field. A few blowout Pirates games I'll watch the 737's and RJ's instead of the game. Hospital helipad right behind the stadiums too.
     
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    Right. "Talking" is not necessarily "Authorization" the way it is for a regular class C or D operation. Following an ATC instruction is, and the NOTAM used to read a bit closer to that.

    Negative on the flight plan. I think POTUS TFRs might, but there aren't any right now for me to check. Stadium TFRs do not require a flight plan.
     
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    Deal with the VIP TFR frequently out of KLNA. It is in the inner circle and is shut down. TFR reads that you must be on a filed flight plan (VFR or IFR) and squawking a discrete code to enter the outer ring. Talking to ATC also, no doubt. A lot of folks there use F45 during TFRs, it is in the outer ring and I was flying back after repairing a customer's Cherokee 6 that was stranded in New Smyrna. I was flying an Archer. Anyway, I made the mistake of asking the customer, who did it frequently, what is the procedure for landing at F45. "Just talk to ATC and get a code." Which I did and they had no problem with that but it was wrong and bad advice and shame on me.
     
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    My apologies, I was obviously wrong. I don't know where I got the idea that you needed to be on a flight plan. Probably just was thinking about a discrete code.
     
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    A) THE AIRCRAFT OPERATION HAS BEEN AUTHORIZED BY ATC FOR OPERATIONAL OR SAFETY PURPOSES, INCLUDING AUTHORIZATION OF FLIGHTS SPECIFICALLY ARRIVING AT OR DEPARTING FROM AN AIRPORT DESIGNATED BY ATC USING STANDARD ATC PROCEDURES AND ROUTES

    This section of the sporting event TFR used to end with "for operational or safety purposes." I'm not sure when they changed the text, but it seems reasonable to conclude that the FAA has added the latter part specifically to answer this question, and clarify that arrivals and departures are permitted. IME that's how most towers treated it before.