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It doesn't make sense to compete with themselves, which would you stop production and why?

The 206 is popular with law enforcement agencies around the world. Rumors floating around about diesel versions to come.






The G36 with it's pretty shy useful load isn't nearly as attractive as a Corvallis which makes the G36 look slow.

 
How is a 160ktas Stationaire similar in performance to a 220ktas TTX?
 
For the same reason GM makes the H3 and the Envoy and whatever else they build on that same platform. They're counting on the legend of Beechcraft, and it will probably work. Some folks wouldn't even consider a 206 simply because it is too pedestrian; even a new one wouldn't get them the attention they thrive upon. That same guy wouldn't buy the TTx, it's a gaudy warmed-over kit plane, the airborne equivalent of a yellow Corvette leaking middle-aged desperation and insecurity through its poorly-fit top.

I'd take a 206, I like to think I'd take it deep into the backcountry. I wouldn't, but I would still give Beech guy a smug smile knowing he'd never be able to carry a load out of Lower Loon. We'd both point and laugh at sad yellow Corvette guy (even though he arrived an hour before we did, he'd still be standing around waiting for us to see him).
 
gasfiltered said:
For the same reason GM makes the H3 and the Envoy and whatever else they build on that same platform.
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they stopped making the H3 in 2010. sour subject for me, being a die hard hummer guy with an H3 Alpha and H1, this makes me cry.

however on the original topic. There's a market for everything. The useful load in the Bonanza is worse than my 182, which simply means 6 people is just most likely unrealistic on any distance I'd want to take a trip. For me it would be the 206 any day. Turbo-charged engine for good climb performance in hot and high and the ability to get above some other stuff a non-turbo'd plane couldn't realistically do. However others may not be flying as far, and since the T206H will only get that 164knots up in the 20's the Bo will get that performance down in the 7-10k range. So people flying closer, and lower may prefer that. As for the TTx I think that's a niche market for the single traveler that wants to go fast and high. And of course like anything else in life looks and allure go a long way. Me I'd take the 206, some others prefer the Bonanza or the TTx. Like someone else mentioned car manufactures make many cars that compete with themselves yet there is a market for it all.
 
I love the 206, of course the best ones are the older, lighter U206 with the 550, black Mac and extensions.
 
You would think the 36 would go away wouldn't you... However most of the tooling is common with the 58 Baron which has no real market competition. The Bonanza also has a brand loyalty following and I'm sure the margin on it is significant enough that if they get an order on one, it's a profitable order.
 
Not familiar with production levels of any of these but I would think the heavy expenses have been, well, expended. With even modest production levels I would think they would be making incremental cash flow at this point, so stopping production would hurt cash flow not help it.

If, and it's a big one, I had the cash to buy any I'd go with the Bo.
 
Henning said:
You would think the 36 would go away wouldn't you... However most of the tooling is common with the 58 Baron which has no real market competition. The Bonanza also has a brand loyalty following and I'm sure the margin on it is significant enough that if they get an order on one, it's a profitable order.
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You bring up an interesting point that makes me wonder if the G36 wing is the same as the outer Barron wings. Does the Barron have outer wings (outboard of the nacelles) like a King Air?
 
bnt83 said:
You bring up an interesting point that makes me wonder if the G36 wing is the same as the outer Barron wings. Does the Barron have outer wings (outboard of the nacelles) like a King Air?
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I don't know about the 58, but my 95 I'm pretty sure had the same wing as the 35 with wing extensions at the end.
 
Henning said:
I don't know about the 58, but my 95 I'm pretty sure had the same wing as the 35 with wing extensions at the end.
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Then again, for the price of a new G58 why wouldn't you go turbine?
 
IDT you can get known ice any of them in OP so there isn't anything there that sets them apart.


None have parachute
 
bnt83 said:
IDT you can get known ice any of them in OP so there isn't anything there that sets them apart.


None have parachute
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FIKI is a 52 AMU option on the TTX in late 2014. It's a TKS system.
 
I don't know - if I had access to a bank vault full of money, I might go for the TTX. I've been following that one since it was the Columbia 400. But it sounds like you might need a lot of cash to feed that engine...
 
bnt83 said:
Then again, for the price of a new G58 why wouldn't you go turbine?
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From what I hear: the cost of everything - especially after the purchase.

I've actually talked to some folks on a G58 "partnership". Feasible. Anything with a turbine - even in a partnership - is WAY outside the size of my wallet...
 
I think the TTx is pretty ugly, but I'd do horrible, terrible things for one.
 
Cant beat the Bo (especially with FIKI) but that TTX thing is just a plastic and velcro feel that doesnt do it for me.
 
brian];1888688 said:
I don't know - if I had access to a bank vault full of money, I might go for the TTX. I've been following that one since it was the Columbia 400. But it sounds like you might need a lot of cash to feed that engine...
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The fuel burn for the TSIO-550-C engine is about 15gph LOP @ 13k - 190ktas.

The big cost is the price new. But you do get the G2000 with touch control panel. Nicer than the G1000.
 
I'm a Bo owner. I'd take the plastic TTX in a heartbeat. As for the guy following me in the 206, since I don't have a rear view mirror, who cares. By the time he lands and gets tied down, I'll be on the chair lift ready to hit the powpow.
 
d5by5 said:
The fuel burn for the TSIO-550-C engine is about 15gph LOP @ 13k - 190ktas.

The big cost is the price new. But you do get the G2000 with touch control panel. Nicer than the G1000.
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my mooney will do 190 on about 13 but I have to get up higher to do it. Funny thing is I also have about 1k lbs of useful load, none of those three have much more than that.
 
Since Cessna didn't bother with a BRS, if I was in the TTX market they would lose my business to Cirrus.
 
PeeGee said:
my mooney will do 190 on about 13 but I have to get up higher to do it. Funny thing is I also have about 1k lbs of useful load, none of those three have much more than that.
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The Mooney Acclaim is in the same niche as the TTX...but has a narrower cabin and the G1000.

Since both planes use the same TSIO-550 engine the speed and fuel burn will be close. And the price new is about the same also.

The Mooney has retractable gear which costs a bit more on insurance.
 
d5by5 said:
The Mooney Acclaim is in the same niche as the TTX...but has a narrower cabin and the G1000.

Since both planes use the same TSIO-550 engine the speed and fuel burn will be close. And the price new is about the same also.

The Mooney has retractable gear which costs a bit more on insurance.
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a rocket or other conversion would probably do about that too but cost you some useful.
I'd have to see the specs but would be surprised if it's more than an inch narrower, the mooney is however fairly short inside.
our plain old 231 will true 190 at FL180, but isn't as nice. I mean, it's as nice as I can afford anyhow.

edit: the TTx is incredibly wide, 48ish inches
 
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I'd take the G36 over the TTX without hesitation. More fun to fly, feels like a more substantial airplane, and is great on grass strips. Can't say that about the TTX.
 
Well sir, never considered a G36 being on the fun side. Except that all GA planes are fun if you spin the yoke right!
 
PeeGee said:
a rocket or other conversion would probably do about that too but cost you some useful.
I'd have to see the specs but would be surprised if it's more than an inch narrower, the mooney is however fairly short inside.
our plain old 231 will true 190 at FL180, but isn't as nice. I mean, it's as nice as I can afford anyhow.

edit: the TTx is incredibly wide, 48ish inches
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I like both planes. Each has their strengths and weaknesses...but are each at the top of their class.
 
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