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Unit74

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Recover disc, no workie. Boot from CD, nada. Diagnostics
/repair says no installed drive to recover. First screen I get says SATA hard Drive BAD. Back up disc and replace. Press F1 to continue. Press F1 and I get the first Windows splash, then a grey bar at the bottom says loading Windows files, then nothing.

I have been trying to get it going all AM. Any idea if I can recover the data at this point? Will not load windows at all.
 
Probably bad boot sector. Boot from a USB drive or another hard drive.
 
Recover disc, no workie. Boot from CD, nada. Diagnostics
/repair says no installed drive to recover. First screen I get says SATA hard Drive BAD. Back up disc and replace. Press F1 to continue. Press F1 and I get the first Windows splash, then a grey bar at the bottom says loading Windows files, then nothing.

I have been trying to get it going all AM. Any idea if I can recover the data at this point? Will not load windows at all.

I'm not clear exactly what happened or what you're doing. Are you trying to load Windows onto a new hard drive, and recover the data from the old one?

Rich
 
Had the exact soma issue 4 weeks ago, Windows 7 refused to start, tried the repair disk etc and it just continued to complain. Scan disk etc did nothing

Ended up install new physical drive and reinstalling Windows, once that was up I plugged the " failed" drive into another SATA port and was able to recover all my personal files.

Did full analysis of old drive but nothing out of the ordinary was detected. It's still connected and working but Windows just doesn't like it as a boot drive.

Luckily I had all docs, photos and music backed up to a NAS drive so recovery was painless, just had to reinstall a bunch of programs.
 
I just got my desk top back from HP. They took care of all my problems under warranty.

It lost one of the hard drives, the one that makes it start up.
 
Any chance your BIOS got reset? I have seen it when windows is trying to address the drive in IDE mode and the drive is expecting AHCI, or vice versa. Might explain why it won't boot from a CD.
 
Had the exact soma issue 4 weeks ago, Windows 7 refused to start, tried the repair disk etc and it just continued to complain. Scan disk etc did nothing

Ended up install new physical drive and reinstalling Windows, once that was up I plugged the " failed" drive into another SATA port and was able to recover all my personal files.

Did full analysis of old drive but nothing out of the ordinary was detected. It's still connected and working but Windows just doesn't like it as a boot drive.

Luckily I had all docs, photos and music backed up to a NAS drive so recovery was painless, just had to reinstall a bunch of programs.

If your BIOS is reporting a hardware failure on POST, this is probably the best solution here. Get another HD, reinstall windows on it, and hopefully the old drive isn't completely dead and you can copy the files from your old drive to the new one.
 
How do I get Windows on the new drive? All I have is the recovery CD. Do I have to buy the new OS or is there a way to install,it from the recovery disc?

And as far as the old drive, is there a cable I'll need to hook up the old drive to try and recover the data or should I take it somewhere and let them try?
 
How do I get Windows on the new drive? All I have is the recovery CD. Do I have to buy the new OS or is there a way to install,it from the recovery disc?

And as far as the old drive, is there a cable I'll need to hook up the old drive to try and recover the data or should I take it somewhere and let them try?

Put in the new drive, use the recovery CD.

I'm guessing it's an IDE drive, and generally they put in a cable with two interfaces on it. Both drives connect to this cable. Also check the jumper settings (if not controlled by the BIOS) on which drive is slave and which is master. The new drive should be master and at the end of the cable, the old drive should be slave and in the middle of the cable. Also, don't forget to connect the power cables. :)
 
How do I get Windows on the new drive? All I have is the recovery CD. Do I have to buy the new OS or is there a way to install,it from the recovery disc?

And as far as the old drive, is there a cable I'll need to hook up the old drive to try and recover the data or should I take it somewhere and let them try?

Depending on the recovery CD, it should be bootable.. Install a new hard drive, insert the CD and turn it on. If its bootable it will walk you through the restore. I'd recommend unplugging the old drive while you setup the new one - You don't want to overwrite the old drive by mistake.

Once you have the OS up on the new drive, you can plug the old drive back in and windows should recognize it as a second drive. You may have to tweak your boot settings in the BIOS to make sure it boots off the new drive. You should have plenty of SATA connections on the motherboard to support at least two hard drives, most support 4 or more. If you're buying a new hard drive it should come with a SATA cable.
 
If your BIOS is reporting a hardware failure on POST, this is probably the best solution here. Get another HD, reinstall windows on it, and hopefully the old drive isn't completely dead and you can copy the files from your old drive to the new one.

Even if the old drive is completely dead, there's a better than 95 percent chance that the data can still be recovered. In fact, the odds are probably close to 99 percent for a drive that simply crapped out.

But it'll cost you. Figure around an AMU or more if it needs to go to a clean room, or maybe less if all they have to do is replace the board.

Rich
 
1st rule of computer club: do not be stupid and store data on your system drive.
2nd rule of computer club: do not be stupid and store data on your system drive.
3rd rule of computer club: install OS on a cheap disposable drive; install data on two drives in RAID configuration.

Now that you know the basics, good luck recovering the data from your dead system drive. Hope you can get some stuff out. IF you can ever figure out where the Microsoft retards hid it. All those cluttered Documents And Settings folders etc ... sheesh.
 
Cool. My ill give it a go. Thanks guys

Or, if you don't want to screw with fixing that pc and just want your files, you can get a USB adapter for under $20 or borrow from someone to hook that dead drive up to a good PC and pull files off if they aren't corrupt.
 
Or, if you don't want to screw with fixing that pc and just want your files, you can get a USB adapter for under $20 or borrow from someone to hook that dead drive up to a good PC and pull files off if they aren't corrupt.

Be forewarned that you might not be able to access the primary partition via that USB adapter. Connecting the HDD to another PC (or keeping it in your PC while adding a healthy new HDD with Windblows) will allow you to see the Win partition.
 
Even if the old drive is completely dead, there's a better than 95 percent chance that the data can still be recovered. In fact, the odds are probably close to 99 percent for a drive that simply crapped out.

But it'll cost you. Figure around an AMU or more if it needs to go to a clean room, or maybe less if all they have to do is replace the board.

Rich

There are some lower cost solutions these days. I had a USB hard drive fail. Currently working on recovering it. Will let you know tomorrow if this works. I am going to try Partition Magic which is free and try just copying the disk first if that doesn't work you can you can try http://www.powerdatarecovery.com/ by the same company it cost 70 bucks.

You can download and run it before purchasing and you can recover 1GB before having to pay. Once you run it you can see what is recoverable and even preview some of the files. It looks like most of my stuff is there and the PC couldn't even see the drive in file manager.

Good luck. I work in IT and we have sent disks out before it is pricey if you need to go that route.
 
There are some lower cost solutions these days. I had a USB hard drive fail. Currently working on recovering it. Will let you know tomorrow if this works. I am going to try Partition Magic which is free and try just copying the disk first if that doesn't work you can you can try http://www.powerdatarecovery.com/ by the same company it cost 70 bucks.

You can download and run it before purchasing and you can recover 1GB before having to pay. Once you run it you can see what is recoverable and even preview some of the files. It looks like most of my stuff is there and the PC couldn't even see the drive in file manager.

Good luck. I work in IT and we have sent disks out before it is pricey if you need to go that route.

My post was actually intended as an encouragement of sorts that the odds were overwhelmingly in favor of the data being recoverable even if the drive is completely hosed. That is not the case here because Windows does start to load.

Personally, I suspect that all OP has to do is slave the drive in whatever manner he chooses. But I was trained to treat any suspect hard drive as if its next spin-up will be its last, and if the data is precious, to refer it to Data Recovery.

That happened to be my late friend Stefan He could recover the data about 90 percent of the time, and he didn't make things any worse the other 10 percent. If he couldn't do it, we knew a good lab with an ISO clean room in Connecticut. They never once failed me, not even on drives that had been submerged in sea water (which happens more often than one might think in Long Island).

Stefan taught me a thing or two over the years. He also left his data-recovery gear to me when he died. But I never really got the knack for it that he had. He could hack his way into the logic and make the heads move exactly the way he wanted them too until he found the data. He also could tell pretty quickly -- usually within minutes of hooking it up -- when a drive needed to go to the lab. He was an amazing individual. I miss him both as a friend and a colleague.

As an aside, Stefan was also the only person I ever knew who could beat roulette. He reasoned that no matter how much they tried, no one could make a roulette wheel that was perfect. They all had their flaws, as microscopic as they might be. Stefan came up with a mathematical formula that could calculate the best odds on a particular wheel based on observable results.

He never revealed the details to me -- they probably would have been over my head anyway -- but I know that he always walked away from the casino a winner.

Rich
 
Hello,

I got the same hard disk data loss troubles last weekend and your thread really gave me many useful clues. Honestly, after knowing the lost data was able to be rescued back by reading this post, I just had downloaded and tried many free data recovery utility online, like Recuva, iCare Data Recovery Free and more. Luckily, they worked well and took many of my photos, documents and videos back.

Hope my experiences also can help anyone there.

Thanks for your nice post.
 
Call me anal-retentive, but everything is backed up to a small raid drive and CD's. If all of them take a dump at the same time I'll know I'm up the creek. If my C drive takes a dump I can install a new one and reload Windows; a pain to be sure but better than losing everything when one drive calls it quits. There is also a storage drive in the computer. All bases covered, (I think).
 
Linux, guys. Install Linux.
Make your lives a lot less complicated.

Yup....every computer in the house (half a dozen or so) is running Ubuntu Linux, with the exception of the sim 'puter part of the time. Only reason for that is some of the 'stuff' isn't available on Windoze! :-)

Jim
 
Yup....every computer in the house (half a dozen or so) is running Ubuntu Linux, with the exception of the sim 'puter part of the time. Only reason for that is some of the 'stuff' isn't available on Windoze! :)

Jim

Even though I'm officially retired from the Computer Science business, I still maintain a server farm in my house. I have 4 Linux servers running parallel processing software, my laptop which runs Mint 18 and controls all the other machines with VNC, 1 dual boot Linux/Windows 7 machine to test Windows compatibility stuff, and one Windows 10 machine (actually my wife's personal computer), and 2 other laptops with a version VM on one, and MVS on the other (just because I can).
You can take the boy out of science, but you can't take the science out of the boy. Roughly translated that means "total geekdom".
I'm finishing up (I hope) a new patent this week. Rain for the rest of the week should keep me focused.
 
^^^^ Yup...that boy's a geek!! :-) I started with command-line Linux, and came up thru DOS/ NetWare/ Windows. I retired out of doing criminal computer forensics, and have avoided consulting to this point. Having too much doing fun stuff with computers, and enjoying less need to wash the filth off my hands and out of my psyche.

In deference to the actual thread subject :-) ...anyone who hasn't looked at Linux for business purposes for the last few iterations is doing themselves a dis-service. It's become quite user and peripheral-friendly, continues much more resource-efficient than Win, and rock solid stable....oh, yeah, and free!

Jim
 
Even though I'm officially retired from the Computer Science business, I still maintain a server farm in my house. I have 4 Linux servers running parallel processing software, my laptop which runs Mint 18 and controls all the other machines with VNC, 1 dual boot Linux/Windows 7 machine to test Windows compatibility stuff, and one Windows 10 machine (actually my wife's personal computer), and 2 other laptops with a version VM on one, and MVS on the other (just because I can).
You can take the boy out of science, but you can't take the science out of the boy. Roughly translated that means "total geekdom".
I'm finishing up (I hope) a new patent this week. Rain for the rest of the week should keep me focused.

I used to do this. Had racks of machines and network gear at home for various training and other duties. Now I just spin servers up on AWS or DigitalOcean for pennies when I need them. Let someone else pay the power bill and deal with the space needed.

Automate the spin ups with ansible... takes a little getting used to at first, but once it's set up, there's no point in maintaining hardware that went obsolete the day it was purchased anymore for servers. If they're task based servers, shut them down when not in use and most of these places charge next to nothing when they're not running.

About the only time I need local hardware is for mass (audio and video) storage. Takes too long to upload on rural internet. If I was still in town, I wouldn't even care about that. Or attachment to oddball local hardware like an SDR dongle or Arduino/microcontroller project. But most of those projects can be handled with a sub-$30 Rasperry Pi or similar. Only the heavy hitter SDR stuff needs a big CPU and that's available in the desktop or laptop. No need for a local server.

Economies of scale have killed local server hardware unless specific needs like mass storage are needed.

We've already seen sysadmin candidates who've never racked and stacked a data center. They've never touched hardware and may never in their entire career if they go into big company systems. That'll only become more common as time goes on.

The NetApp sales guy called again last week. I told him we'll probably never have a corporate need for such a box, ever again. We have users hanging off of a cheap Synology that does everything and more that the early NetApps did when I first used them, and even that's likely to go away this year in lieu of cloud storage. All depends on if someone thinks the data needs to be in a room we physically lock up, and frankly, the big data centers are better physically locked up than anything we could possibly afford or do. The Synology backs itself up to an S3 bucket, too. LOL.

I told him he'd probably best start courting Amazon if he wants to make commissions and eat. I'm quite content being out of the dead drive swapping business.
 
Linux? Oh, you mean the UNIX clone?

I started computer programming with a Wang, followed by a Westinghouse 2550 mini attached to a Model 33 teletype. In my professional career, I started with version 6 UNIX. Moved to Sys III. Then a deviation into BSD 4.2 and 4.3. Later Sys V. And of course, Linux. RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Ubuntu.

We're all geeks here. Move along...
 
Linux, guys. Install Linux.
Make your lives a lot less complicated.
(edit: I know this should be a separate thread, but this seemed like a convenient place to get the attention of some LInux pros.
I have an old (~10yrs) Windows XP system that I haven't plugged in for about 2 years. It was "high end" in it's day, custom built with all commercial grade components.
If I plug it in and it still works, can you give me a few pointers on how to install Linux.

Do I boot XP to download Linux?
Where is the best place to download it from?
Where and how do I save it?
Do I need to partition my drive? I have no intention of saving Windows.

I don't want an instruction manual. Just a few tips to get started.
Thanks.
 
(edit: I know this should be a separate thread, but this seemed like a convenient place to get the attention of some LInux pros.
I have an old (~10yrs) Windows XP system that I haven't plugged in for about 2 years. It was "high end" in it's day, custom built with all commercial grade components.
If I plug it in and it still works, can you give me a few pointers on how to install Linux.

Do I boot XP to download Linux?
Where is the best place to download it from?
Where and how do I save it?
Do I need to partition my drive? I have no intention of saving Windows.

I don't want an instruction manual. Just a few tips to get started.
Thanks.

What do you want to use it for? That'll have something to do with which distribution of Linux to use.

John
 
What do you want to use it for? That'll have something to do with which distribution of Linux to use.

John
I don't know. Shepherd told me to and I have a spare computer laying around. I'd probably just use it for surfing the internet and doing stupid stuff, like POA and upor (never mind). I'll keep using my windows 7 system for everything else since that is where I have all my add-on software. I guess I just want to get it booted and run a browser.
 
I don't know. Shepherd told me to and I have a spare computer laying around. I'd probably just use it for surfing the internet and doing stupid stuff, like POA and upor (never mind). I'll keep using my windows 7 system for everything else since that is where I have all my add-on software. I guess I just want to get it booted and run a browser.

For Web surfing and pron, pretty much any distro will do. Personally, I'd go with Mint. In my opinion, it's much more stable than Ubuntu; but it's still Debian-based and will run almost all the packages.

To install Mint, you download it, burn it to a bootable DVD or copy it to a bootable flash drive, and boot to it. The installer is very intutive. Tell it you want to delete Windows and install Mint.

You'll probably need the 32-bit for an XP-era computer.

Rich
 
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The NetApp sales guy called again last week. I told him we'll probably never have a corporate need for such a box, ever again.

...

I told him he'd probably best start courting Amazon if he wants to make commissions and eat. I'm quite content being out of the dead drive swapping business.

So NTAP is a good short candidate? It is near its 52 week high...
 
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