Should I grow pot?

Clark1961 said:
Well ya gotta remember the whole "states rights" thing. There are many reasons we have the layers of government that we have.



In other words, get mad all you like but ya gotta remember the power structure.
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Been reviewed and decided by the Supreme Court.

Gonzalez v. Ranch was about someone in CA growing MJ for their own personal use (non-commercial) pursuant to a license issued by CA for medicinal use.

It was held that Congress' power under the Commerce Clause was enough to authorize the Controlled Substances Act prohibition of MJ and that the Supremacy Clause provided no relief based upon compliance with a state law..
 
JeffDG said:
Been reviewed and decided by the Supreme Court.

Gonzalez v. Ranch was about someone in CA growing MJ for their own personal use (non-commercial) pursuant to a license issued by CA for medicinal use.

It was held that Congress' power under the Commerce Clause was enough to authorize the Controlled Substances Act prohibition of MJ and that the Supremacy Clause provided no relief based upon compliance with a state law..
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So you are a constitutional lawyer now. Got it.

Current events suggests otherwise on states rights but don't let that bother you one bit.
 
Looking at the current events, I'm under the impression that the federal laws for this substance aren't being enforced by some of the states, by the state agencies. A federal officer could still enforce it in those states, can't s/he?
 
The states that have made this legal for use did so because....Get this..Its citizens voted for it. For the federal government to come in and start arresting those who voted it in in these states. Well that is the stuff revolutions are made of. People vote for it but the government says to bad. Your voice or vote does not matter...Really.
Its gone to far now. Now we have a few states that have had its citizens vote this in. Now if the government steps in and starts arresting these people, again the things revolutions are made of.
The people have spoke and voted for this. Arrest them all...lol I want to see this and how fast we go into a revolution.

The things revolutions are made of. People speak and the government arrests them. Sounds like what a communist country would do.
 
Cap'n Jack said:
Looking at the current events, I'm under the impression that the federal laws for this substance aren't being enforced by some of the states, by the state agencies. A federal officer could still enforce it in those states, can't s/he?
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Real shallow Jack.

A federal officer could try to enforce it but it takes more than one person to attempt to get a conviction. The feds have said that they won't try to enforce the laws within the states. They are continuing to enforce the laws when interstate transport is involved.
 
I suspect, but have nothing to back it up that the entire fed drug enforcement cabal has seen the handwriting on the wall. Not just an arrest, but then an indictment, which might stand, and then a trial in a state where the arrest took place. I guess the case could go across state lines to a district court outside the state of arrest, but that would be dicey. In any case, when the chances of conviction are less than maybe 75%, the prosecutor has to really consider if they want that kind of legacy going in to the fight.

Pretty sure there's another attribute to this. The feds would sound pretty stupid busting a guy for pot when the highest guy in the system is an admitted user. Makes for some raised eyebrows all around, and would seriously sway me were I a juror. and that's as close as I can come to the discussion without going over the line.
 
Clark1961 said:
Real shallow Jack.

A federal officer could try to enforce it but it takes more than one person to attempt to get a conviction. The feds have said that they won't try to enforce the laws within the states. They are continuing to enforce the laws when interstate transport is involved.
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I'm not sure what was "shallow" about my question, but thank you for your rest of your reply, which I'll take as genuine information as I'm not a lawyer.

What I see is this is complex legally. One throws private companies into the mix, where each has their own drug policy which I believe can be enforced in in those states allowing the use of MJ, and it has the potential to get more complex.
 
Cap'n Jack said:
Looking at the current events, I'm under the impression that the federal laws for this substance aren't being enforced by some of the states, by the state agencies. A federal officer could still enforce it in those states, can't s/he?
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They could, but unless the grow room is in the basement of a preschool, I'd wager the odds of an indictment are slim, and of a conviction even slimmer. The juries are still drawn from citizens of the states, and because the citizens of the states in questions voted for legalization, I think arrests under federal laws would result in jury nullification.

The other thing to consider is that the federal congressmen and senators have to run for re-election by the citizens of the states, and hordes of feds running rampant over the will of the states' citizens reflects poorly on them.

I think what we're seeing here is a slow sort of civil disobedience. People -- and even state governments -- are saying to hell with the federal government's idiotic and wasteful war against a plant by openly defying federal drug laws. I think that's a good thing for many reasons. I hope it spreads. The federal government desperately needs to be cut back down to size.

I also think that marijuana laws, being perhaps the stupidest laws in the U.S. Code, are a great place to start. FedGov has better and more important and productive things to do than wage war against a plant using the force of laws that can easily be circumvented by anyone with a grow lamp and a bucket of soil.

Rich
 
PeeGee said:
figure out how they're doing it, come to CO and open up a credit union or whatever they're doing.
Banks and CU's won't touch them here until the federal law changes.
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Colorado shops use credit cards too. Piggy backed on another business account. I do believe they pay workers (bud tenders) in cash.
 
So I actually read the marijuana legalization amendment in my home state today and I can't vote for it. Arrrgh! It grants a cultivation monopoly to certain monied interests, and the funny thing is there is an antimonopoly amendment on the same ballot!

As much as I hate the War on Drugs I couldn't vote for this as its written. Granting a monopoly in the state constitution is bad juju.
 
Two reasons I wouldn't do it. Firstly the four or five federal licenses/certificates I hold, secondly, there does not seem to be any legitimate way to declare expenses and/or profits on my federal income tax return.
 
Old Geek said:
Two reasons I wouldn't do it. Firstly the four or five federal licenses/certificates I hold, secondly, there does not seem to be any legitimate way to declare expenses and/or profits on my federal income tax return.
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To me this has been a good fact search / gathering info thread.

But the best reason I found not to grow the stuff was when Barb told me " you ain't growing that sh-- in My solarium"

Beside licensing is way too much of a hassle.
 
Sac Arrow said:
I would recommend you grow cole slaw instead.
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Cabbage does really great here in the winter. Little known fact, much of the hybrid cabbage seed is grown here. it requires two years from set to harvest, but yields about 8k per acre cash crop.

And you don't need a license.
 
Tom-D said:
Cabbage does really great here in the winter. Little known fact, much of the hybrid cabbage seed is grown here. it requires two years from set to harvest, but yields about 8k per acre cash crop.

And you don't need a license.
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Well there we have it. And by the way credit goes to 6PC for the suggestion.
 
How would it work if someone in the same house as you partook in such activities and your results for the test (I think it can happen? I don't use) came back positive for your employer. Even if you didn't do it yourself? :dunno:

All for letting people do what they want in regards to it if they're safe about it but I would like to keep my job if I was in that situation.
 
overdrive148 said:
How would it work if someone in the same house as you partook in such activities and your results for the test (I think it can happen? I don't use) came back positive for your employer. Even if you didn't do it yourself? :dunno:

All for letting people do what they want in regards to it if they're safe about it but I would like to keep my job if I was in that situation.
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How are your tests going to come back positive by being in the same house where it is growing unless you smoke or eat it?
 
Everskyward said:
How are your tests going to come back positive by being in the same house where it is growing unless you smoke or eat it?
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I think the assumption is the "second hand smoke" contains enough THC to trigger a positive.

These references seem to indicate a slight possibility of that happening, but it is a small possibility for a short time period and one has to be in an unventilated room:
http://www.newsweek.com/could-second-hand-pot-smoke-make-you-fail-marijuana-test-278913

http://www.livescience.com/50880-secondhand-marijuana-smoke-effects-drug-test.html
 
Cap'n Jack said:
I think the assumption is the "second hand smoke" contains enough THC to trigger a positive.

These references seem to indicate a slight possibility of that happening, but it is a small possibility for a short time period and one has to be in an unventilated room:
http://www.newsweek.com/could-second-hand-pot-smoke-make-you-fail-marijuana-test-278913

http://www.livescience.com/50880-secondhand-marijuana-smoke-effects-drug-test.html
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That's what I've heard too.

Funny thing about it though; since pot has been legalized in Colorado, I've never been offered a smoke, but it happened recently in New Jersey. :D

I had to decline saying that I'm subject to random drug testing.
 
1600vw said:
The states that have made this legal for use did so because....Get this..Its citizens voted for it. For the federal government to come in and start arresting those who voted it in in these states. Well that is the stuff revolutions are made of. People vote for it but the government says to bad. Your voice or vote does not matter...Really.
Its gone to far now. Now we have a few states that have had its citizens vote this in. Now if the government steps in and starts arresting these people, again the things revolutions are made of.
The people have spoke and voted for this. Arrest them all...lol I want to see this and how fast we go into a revolution.

The things revolutions are made of. People speak and the government arrests them. Sounds like what a communist country would do.
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Jacquerie via Jury Nullification... is the civilized solution to most of our society's infatuation with narcissists with unnecessary power.

That and I just wanted an excuse to type jacquerie. :)
 
I think that, aside from all of the bureaucratic hoops you'd have to jump through, you are underestimating the expertise required to grow the stuff as well as the competition you'd be up against. It's not much different from thinking some old guy with no prior experience could buy a few tools and just start rebuilding old classic airplanes. Sure it's a weed and you could grow some but you could make your own wine in the shed too, doesn't mean it would be any good.
 
Silvaire said:
I think that, aside from all of the bureaucratic hoops you'd have to jump through, you are underestimating the expertise required to grow the stuff as well as the competition you'd be up against. It's not much different from thinking some old guy with no prior experience could buy a few tools and just start rebuilding old classic airplanes. Sure it's a weed and you could grow some but you could make your own wine in the shed too, doesn't mean it would be any good.
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That brings me to a couple questions.

I see many growers in the past years that plant in the National forest in the spring start drip irrigation system and come back in the fall to harvest. I don't see much expertise needed there.
Secondly due to my never using the sh--, How would I know good sh-- from bad sh--?

Nope, I'll stick to what I know. Besides, I have found 23 licensed growers already in town. I see a flooded market.
 
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