If a America votes in a different POTUS, I'm really curious if the current travelling circus antics will continue.
The No Fly zone encompasses HEF by less than a runway length. HEF is already in the SFRA. You think they could make a cutout exception? Nooooo, apparently they can't. Instead, they'd rather shut down the airport and kill commerce at one of the few GA fields near DC. On a SATURDAY.
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I feel your pain, but imagine the language that would accompany a cut out like you describe, and the effectiveness, (in the eyes of the enforcers) of that action. I know you are most likely a considerate and informed pilot, but there are a whole flock of clueless idiots out there who can't decipher even the simplest of TFR instructions. (Witness the frequent violation in DC) Clear unambiguous areas are easier to enforce and easier to defend in court when violated.
I flew several TFR enforcement missions around KSC for shuttle operations and we regularly encountered clueless pilots who I am sure couldn't fix their location within a mile. You can argue, (conclusively I think), that the TFR restrictions have gotten WAY out of hand, but keeping them simple IMHO works best for all.
If a America votes in a different POTUS, I'm really curious if the current travelling circus antics will continue.
Disagree to a point. They've done cutouts for other locations (look at W00 and the DC FRZ as an example). And any pilot that operates at HEF already has to follow the SFRA procedures & stay out of the Dulles Class B.... add in the fact that it's a towered airport and the likelihood of compliance is very, very high.
If a America votes in a different POTUS, I'm really curious if the current travelling circus antics will continue.
Totally agree. But those who build TFRs are not in the business of serving anything but their mission. And the cutouts you mentioned were legislated after much gnashing of teeth, and are permanent. Temporary means just that and expediency for the designing agency is paramount. And as some wise soul in a previous post noted, rationality is a short commodity in the area.
Obama by the way is over at Centreville HighSchool. At least it doesn't start until 3:15PM.
Since when does Government care about commerce. It's all about protecting whover the current MFWIICC is even though we have a very well delineated succession line.
Since when does Government care about commerce. It's all about protecting whover the current MFWIICC is even though we have a very well delineated succession line.
Did they change last time a new guy was elected?
How so?Yes. They've gotten worse. (>-{
He should stay his ass home, and do his job.
My Dad would have told him " you ain't going no where until your work is done."
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Like I said, nothing W didn't do before him.
Well, then, term limit them to one term instead of two. Simple solution! Until you do that, at least some of their energy the first term is going to be getting re-elected, and some of the energy the last term (be it a 1 or 2 term limit) is going to be getting someone with comparable goals elected!Doesn't matter who. they should stay home until their work is finished.
Well, then, term limit them to one term instead of two. Simple solution! Until you do that, at least some of their energy the first term is going to be getting re-elected, and some of the energy the last term (be it a 1 or 2 term limit) is going to be getting someone with comparable goals elected!
I want everyone to note that this is REGARDLESS of party! I DON'T want this going SZ!
Doesn't matter who. they should stay home until their work is finished.
Disagree to a point. They've done cutouts for other locations (look at W00 and the DC FRZ as an example). And any pilot that operates at HEF already has to follow the SFRA procedures & stay out of the Dulles Class B.... add in the fact that it's a towered airport (this no-fly zone bisects the Class Delta) and the likelihood of compliance is very, very high.
This could EASILY have been crafted to avoid a shutdown.
For every pop up tfr, there should be a pop up no drive zone too. I would love to see what happens when they shut down absolutely all traffic within a 30 mile radius of NYC or DC or Dallas for a week.
If a America votes in a different POTUS, I'm really curious if the current travelling circus antics will continue.
Yeah we did and it has only gotten worse. They ain't kings and don't deserve to be treated as royalty but the Secret Service seems to think they are doing us a favor. And like I said, when he's out campaigning, he doesn't deserve it.Didn't we think the same thing would happen around LAST election time?
Here's the real question about this security theater. Anyone here believe they would ever shoot a GA aircraft out of the sky?
For every pop up tfr, there should be a pop up no drive zone too. I would love to see what happens when they shut down absolutely all traffic within a 30 mile radius of NYC or DC or Dallas for a week. Need to go to the supermarket, walk. Supermarket is out of food, tough, wait until the TDR goes away next month or find yourself face down on the pavement at gunpoint for being a terrorist threat.
One time the POTUS was in town they shut down one of our town's busiest freeways at rush hour on a Friday night for his motorcade. Tied traffic up in knots. Folks didn't like it, but no one was ready for revolt.