RVR, 135, and non towered airports

Tristar

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If you’re taking off from a non towered airport, there’s no takeoff minimums published and you’re trained part 135 for RVR 600, can you count the runway markings to equal RVR 600? I would normally say no because I don’t know of a regulation saying you can substitute RVR reporting for markings but I’m confused when I come across this.
 

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Tristar said:
If you’re taking off from a non towered airport, there’s no takeoff minimums published and you’re trained part 135 for RVR 600, can you count the runway markings to equal RVR 600? I would normally say no because I don’t know of a regulation saying you can substitute RVR reporting for markings but I’m confused when I come across this.
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What is that from?
 
Tristar said:
If you’re taking off from a non towered airport, there’s no takeoff minimums published and you’re trained part 135 for RVR 600, can you count the runway markings to equal RVR 600? I would normally say no because I don’t know of a regulation saying you can substitute RVR reporting for markings but I’m confused when I come across this.
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If you haven't already seen this, the DRS/FSIMS Volume 3, Chapter 18, Sections 3-6 covers all of the possible OpSpecs for a 135 operation and has guidance and requirements for the POIs as to how and what to approve. This is the stuff that your Director of Operations needs to know and do to satisfy the POI and get an OpSpec issued and/or modified.

It sounds like this is a somewhat rhetorical question based on the reference you posted, and I'm curious what that is from?

However, it is *possible* for a carrier to get an authorization for a procedure that allows pilot assessment of visibility. Details will be in your OpSpecs under C079 and in your FOM/GOM. It is required that the FOM/GOM contains an FAA-approved procedure for assessing visibility if RVR is unavailable, but what that procedure is, what your limitations are for using it, and the equipment requirements of the aircraft will all be specific to the carrier and contained in the manual if you've got the authorization for it under C079.

If there's any doubt about your specific carrier's authorizations after you look at it in your OpSpecs and FOM/GOM, it's worth a call to the Chief Pilot or DO to ask about it.

And if anyone is looking for someone to lead or join the leadership team of a 135 or 91 corporate flight department, please send me a DM...
 
My new 135 doesn't allow C079 but my old one did. The old one required "RVR reports" from specific locations along the runway. For example, below RVR1600, 2 RVR reporting stations are required (for example TDZ and far end or TDZ and mid). However, we were allowed down to RVR1600 with adequate visual references, for example centerline lights.

flyingcheesehead said:
And if anyone is looking for someone to lead or join the leadership team of a 135 or 91 corporate flight department, please send me a DM...
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I'm at indoc at the new place next week at the place west of you. I am happy to get a feel for their needs and let you know what I find out.
 
k9medic said:
600 RVR is stupid low. Like 633' visibility.
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I had a couple jobs in Alaska that paid by the flight hour, meaning no fly, no pay. So we flew. As long as the plane wasn't iced up and stuck to the ground and we could see the prop, off we went.

And I am not kidding.
 
Zeldman said:
I had a couple jobs in Alaska that paid by the flight hour, meaning no fly, no pay. So we flew. As long as the plane wasn't iced up and stuck to the ground and we could see the prop, off we went.

And I am not kidding.
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I check C057 of a couple of operators and they all see to be in line with the departure requirements that I have -

"Standard takeoff minimums are defined as 1 statute mile visibility or RVR 5000 for airplanes having2 engines or less and 1/2 statute mile visibility or RVR 2400 for airplanes having more than 2engines. RVR reports, when available for a particular runway, shall be used for all takeoffoperations on that runway. All takeoff operations, based on RVR, must use RVR reports from thelocations along the runway specified in this paragraph."

It appears that the variables apply to C078 or C079 respectively.

Having said that, I have at one time departed part 91 counting the runway lights and hoping to see the next one. That was long long ago at an NDB far far away.
 
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