Recovering wreckage from 1965

This is kinda gruesome, but really how much can be left after nearly 50 years?
 
If it gives the family closure ,go for it.
 
Pinstriper said:
With our drought in California they are searching Folsom lake for aircraft wreckage from 1965.. http://www.sacbee.com/2014/01/17/6082251/search-under-way-at-folsom-lake.html
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I took this on Tuesday, on my way back from Modesto. This is Folsom Lake. This is the lowest I have ever seen it.
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American River must be a stream now going through SAC.

It was full when I was last there in 1984.
 
Lake Shasta fall of 2013, low as i've ever seen it. many boat and boat houses setting high and dry.
 
As low as it was in 1977? They exposed stuff in that drought that hadn't been seen since they initially filled the lake. The official word was that it would take 2 or 3 years to fill it when the rains returned. Filled it the first winter.
 
Henning said:
Welcome to global drought.
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Yeah....lowest level since, uh....1974, he said. Weren't we in Global Cooling Mania back then? I think the first Earth Day was '72 (or there about) in fear of the coming Ice Age.
 
LDJones said:
Yeah....lowest level since, uh....1974, he said. Weren't we in Global Cooling Mania back then? I think the first Earth Day was '72 (or there about) in fear of the coming Ice Age.
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China wasn't leasing farmland from Russia due to drought back then.
 
There is no doubt in my mind that the earth is on a warming trend, and has been for a long time, or we would still be covered with ice.
Winter of 94-95 we lost all old ice below 8k' only the tallest of our mountains have ancient ice left at their tops. This winter the Cascade mountains have less new snow than the winter of 94-95, we will be hurting for hydro electric power next summer. We are very dependent upon the BPA and their Dams on the Columbia to provide power for the north west and the Cal, grid.
This stuff is getting serious.
 
Tom-D said:
There is no doubt in my mind that the earth is on a warming trend, and has been for a long time, or we would still be covered with ice.
Winter of 94-95 we lost all old ice below 8k' only the tallest of our mountains have ancient ice left at their tops. This winter the Cascade mountains have less new snow than the winter of 94-95, we will be hurting for hydro electric power next summer. We are very dependent upon the BPA and their Dams on the Columbia to provide power for the north west and the Cal, grid.
This stuff is getting serious.
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Yep...gotta find ways to adapt to ever-changing world.
 
Back in about 2005, or 6 I'm not sure of the date, (maybe somebody here remembers what year that was) I went up to Folsom Lake to meet some friends there and go Jet Skiing in January, or February. That year there was no drought, but they pretty much nearly drained the lake to do dam repairs.

It was no longer really a lake, but more two rivers coming together. Anyhow, as we cruised around the "lake" we saw highway bridges, roads and buildings nobody had seen in decades. If they didn't find that plane back then, my guess is, it is completely buried in silt and mud. Of course they may not have bothered to look back then. Which is kind of funny if the family was so desperate for closure. I'll have to fly up there and do a lake survey and see if it is as low as it was then.
 
LDJones said:
Yep...gotta find ways to adapt to ever-changing world.
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Yep and our idiot governor here wants to spend tens of billions of dollars (we don't have) to build tunnels to divert more water from the Sacramento River down to Southern California and farmers in the south of the San Joaquin Valley. It's a totally stupid idea, dependent on snow fall that would ultimately ruin my backyard, the Delta.

What we should be spending our borrowed dollars on is a reliable water source- desalinization plants all along the coast. If all the coastal towns and cities got their water from the ever rising ocean, then the rest of us living in the interior could use the Sierra water. Yep, those plants would need more power plants too and cost a ridiculous amount of money all in, but this year illustrates why we need to get started.
 
Dav8or said:
Yep and our idiot governor here wants to spend tens of billions of dollars (we don't have) to build tunnels to divert more water from the Sacramento River down to Southern California and farmers in the south of the San Joaquin Valley. It's a totally stupid idea, dependent on snow fall that would ultimately ruin my backyard, the Delta.

What we should be spending our borrowed dollars on is a reliable water source- desalinization plants all along the coast. If all the coastal towns and cities got their water from the ever rising ocean, then the rest of us living in the interior could use the Sierra water. Yep, those plants would need more power plants too and cost a ridiculous amount of money all in, but this year illustrates why we need to get started.
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I remember during the drought in the late 1970s we were under mandatory water conservation in northern California. Southern California had no such measures. They'd water their lawns, let the water run down the street, etc. Any suggestion that they watch their usage was met with outrage. I'm no tree hugger, but there was talk of dividing the state at the time and my first act as Governor of Northern California was going to be to dynamite the pumps that ran the water over the Tehachapies. There was no reason to kill the north to let the southern part of the state waste water.
 
Ghery said:
I remember during the drought in the late 1970s we were under mandatory water conservation in northern California. Southern California had no such measures. They'd water their lawns, let the water run down the street, etc. Any suggestion that they watch their usage was met with outrage. I'm no tree hugger, but there was talk of dividing the state at the time and my first act as Governor of Northern California was going to be to dynamite the pumps that ran the water over the Tehachapies. There was no reason to kill the north to let the southern part of the state waste water.
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I remember the drought in the late 1970s too. I was learning to fly in the winter of 1976-77 in Northern California. The good part was that the weather was usually favorable. The bad part was that the depiction of the reservoirs on the sectionals did not square with reality. I remember my instructor warning me about that.

I also remember talk of splitting the state into North and South.
 
Gary F said:
No drought where I live. Wanna buy some water?
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Mark my words, in the coming decades we will see a move towards a federal interstate aqueduct system. It makes all the sense in the world to move excess water to places with no water. We have the technology now. Just need enough droughts and floods to get people thinking.
 
Dunno if this is true. One of the things I dislike about the West is all the water issues. Illegal to catch rainwater in a bucket, really?

I stumbled onto Stewart and Lynda Resnick almost as soon as I started investigating California’s billionaire-dominated public water system. The Oligarch Valley family that had made an easy $74 million selling water to the desert subprime suburb of Victorville was closely connected to the Resnicks.
Both families owned shares of the Kern County Water Bank, a natural aquifer at the southernmost edge of the Central Valley that had been converted into a privatized water-storage facility.
The water bank was designed by California’s Department of Water Resources to function as an emergency reservoir. In wet years, it would collect excess water shipped down the California Aqueduct from Northern California and hold enough water to keep Los Angeles hydrated nearly two years in case of prolonged drought. The water bank was supposed to serve as a last-line defense to protect urban users. But in 1995 California water bureaucrats tweaked a couple of arcane water regulations and handed the water bank over to a small clique of Oligarch Valley landlords.
 
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Tom-D said:
Lake Shasta fall of 2013, low as i've ever seen it. many boat and boat houses setting high and dry.
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I was on Shasta in the 70s and the water level was 65 feet below "normal". What's the level now?
 
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Dav8or said:
Mark my words, in the coming decades we will see a move towards a federal interstate aqueduct system. It makes all the sense in the world to move excess water to places with no water. We have the technology now. Just need enough droughts and floods to get people thinking.
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T Boone Pickens was promoting investment in water resources as the next thing akin to the "oil rush" about a decade ago....
 
gismo said:
I was on Shasta in the 70s and the water level was 65 feet below "normal". What's the level now?
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Crossing the lake on I-5 bridge, we couldn't see any water.
 
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