Reason number 21567225789 to be a vegetarian...

Swampfox201 said:
Here kids are required to help take care of the ones that need a helping hand.

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Been there, done that.
 
steingar said:
Your highest calorie foods are deserts made from dairy, and are not part of the daily diet. The stuff that is part of a normal balanced daily diet tends to contain far less fat if made without meat, and absolutely does if made without dairy. You will not find dishes made with meat that are lower in fat and overall calories than the average food served within the Steinholme.
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So nuts don't exist in Steinholme?
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James_Dean said:
BTW, completely support your choice to be vegetarian. However, please do not make that choice, and denigrate those of us who work hard everyday to provide safe affordable protein, because of food safety.
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Ooof! Sorry to cause offense, I honestly meant to jocularly point out a news story. I really didn't mean to impugn those in the food service industry who do an amazing job supplying the US with a safe food supply. I am well aware of just how much better the food system in the US than anywhere else on the planet and at any point in history.

Indeed the news story that began this thread is easy evidence of this. Outbreaks of microbial-borne disease happen all the time all over the world. But elsewhere they are sufficiently frequent to not make the news.
 
They will get my peanut butter when they pry it from my cold dead hands.

I don't eat meat so (shrug) Let you cannibals die, see if I care :D

Never the less, the food safety in this country is second to none. Go back to the old days - pre WWII - and see how it was. There is a time and place for paternalistic socialism.
 
James_Dean said:
BTW, completely support your choice to be vegetarian. However, please do not make that choice, and denigrate those of us who work hard everyday to provide safe affordable protein, because of food safety.
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Methinks the man doeth protest too much.
A little mutual denigration is a great bonding tool whereas too thin a skin causes fear and trepidation that you might say the wrong thing and be politically incorrect.

I sort of think the green tint that comes over my sister when I eat a steak (or a big meat-filled omelet; thank you) in front of her is sort of amusing. She points out that meat is probably the 2nd leading cause of my weight problem. (Chivas and Glenlivit being the top cause). But we still love each other and she doesn't seem to take offense when I point out where those leather shoes came from.

I think you should apologize to Steingar, and then insult his choice of food rather than insult him. But that is just the wimpy, trembling but fun loving apologist in me.
 
JOhnH said:
I think you should apologize to Steingar, and then insult his choice of food rather than insult him. But that is just the wimpy, trembling but fun loving apologist in me.
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No apology needed at all, I can see where the offense came from though I truly didn't intend it. Moreover I suspect I am being a bit strident in putting up such threads and will try and refrain in the future. Everyone is entitled to their own dietary choice, and one can certainly have a healthy diet inclusive of products derived from animal sources.
 
Sac Arrow said:
Joking aside, most of the pure vegetarians I have known in life have had weight problems, primarily due to a diet high in carbohydrates and low in protein. I'm not knocking Steingar and I'm not saying it can't be done, but it's a real challenge to keep your protein intake adequate without incurring a high carbohydrate loading as a pure vegetarian.
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A vegan diet is perforce low in fats and their precursors, since most plants just don't have a lot of them. Moreover, beans and brown rice, peasant food the world over, gives balanced protein that's low in complex carbohydrate and free from simple carbohydrate. The only thing I could see making a vegan fat is dessert, and that'll make anyone fat. I can usually pick the vegan out of a crowd because they're the skinny ones.

I don't know where you get this idea that complex carbohydrate is bad for you. It might be for you in particular, but is fine for most.

I have known plenty of obese vegetarians, but they consume dairy products, and too much of them. A balanced diet with the correct portions will not make you obese whether or not it has dead animal carcasses in it.
 
I have to agree with Steingar. I know that when I forgo meat (red meat mostly), and have a vegetarian meal, I lose weight. I will often do this two or three days in a row if my diet gets off track and I need to drop a few pounds.

I guess it has to do with "good carbs vs bad carbs" even though I think that term is frowned on these days. White potatoes, white rice, white bread (actually, almost any bread), pasta and sugar will pack on the pounds, especially when loaded down with butter and salt.

Beans, brown rice, most other grains (maybe not wheat), even fat laden nuts are good. I have learned to cook vegetables that get more compliments than my fabulous grilled steaks and bbq'd ribs.

But I am not going to give up my red meat for life. (double entendre intended).

Sac Arrow said:
Joking aside, most of the pure vegetarians I have known in life have had weight problems, primarily due to a diet high in carbohydrates and low in protein. I'm not knocking Steingar and I'm not saying it can't be done, but it's a real challenge to keep your protein intake adequate without incurring a high carbohydrate loading as a pure vegetarian.
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I am a second hand vegetarian.....cows eat the grass...I eat the cow...therefore I eat grass.
 
bnt83 said:
Hmmm. Bacon. I bet your dog would eat the hell out of it
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They would, and dogs can't properly process pork. It often causes pancreatitis. Don't feed your dogs pork.

The next time you're in the dog food isle, note not a single brand of dog food contains pork. There's a reason.
 
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I made roasted potatoes for dinner last night, didn't look right so I added bacon!
 
steingar said:
Never saw a recall or epidemic caused by any reading my morning news.
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Just today: http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2013/...h-townsend-farms-hep-a-outbreak/#.UczohZz3NSs

A couple weeks ago: http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2013/...ssible-salmonella-contamination/#.Uczoypz3NSs

Again, a couple weeks: http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2013/...ixes-recalled-for-listeria-risk/#.Uczowpz3NSs

A few weeks ago: http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2013/...da-for-salmonella-contamination/#.UczpQJz3NSs

Here's a big one from less than a month ago: http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2013/...tbreak-linked-to-frozen-berries/#.UczplJz3NSs

Shall I continue...?

While I haven't counted and done the math, I'd say that at least half of these are non-meat related: http://www.foodsafetynews.com/sections/food-recalls/page/2/#.UczpvZz3NSs If you want to remain safe by eating only vegetables, I suggest you change your morning news source... :)
 
denverpilot said:
They would, and dogs can't properly process pork. It often causes pancreatitis. Don't feed your dogs pork.

The next time you're in the dog food isle, note not a single brand of dog food contains pork. There's a reason.
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I've seen wild boar in a few dog foods.
 
JOhnH said:
I have to agree with Steingar. I know that when I forgo meat (red meat mostly), and have a vegetarian meal, I lose weight. I will often do this two or three days in a row if my diet gets off track and I need to drop a few pounds.

I guess it has to do with "good carbs vs bad carbs" even though I think that term is frowned on these days. White potatoes, white rice, white bread (actually, almost any bread), pasta and sugar will pack on the pounds, especially when loaded down with butter and salt.

Beans, brown rice, most other grains (maybe not wheat), even fat laden nuts are good. I have learned to cook vegetables that get more compliments than my fabulous grilled steaks and bbq'd ribs.

But I am not going to give up my red meat for life. (double entendre intended).
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I switched to eggs, bacon and more meat, while cutting out the breads, chips and sugar (and aspartame.) Down eight pounds in two weeks.

I'm starting to think fat got a bad rap.
 
I've dropped 15 in a little over a month and I'm eating less vegetables than before. Of course I'm eating less everything than before. I'm between 1000 and 1500 calories a day. If I burn 2000-2500, that's a pound every 3 days.
 
denverpilot said:
They would, and dogs can't properly process pork. It often causes pancreatitis. Don't feed your dogs pork.

The next time you're in the dog food isle, note not a single brand of dog food contains pork. There's a reason.
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I thought that was because most dogs are Jewish.
 
LDJones said:
I'm starting to think fat got a bad rap.
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Calories in < calories out = weight loss
Calories in > calories out = weight gain

So long as you are getting enough of what you need from what you eat the source of the calories is less important
 
Skylane81E said:
Calories in < calories out = weight loss
Calories in > calories out = weight gain
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I used to believe that, too. But there's definitely a difference in how your body responds to different types of calories. Some it processes, some it passes through. Read "Good Calories, Bad Calories"...it's eye-opening.
 
Skylane81E said:
Calories in < calories out = weight loss
Calories in > calories out = weight gain

So long as you are getting enough of what you need from what you eat the source of the calories is less important
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Not exactly. Sugars and simple starches are absorbed completely, complex carbohydrates somewhat less so, and proteins and fats much less so. On a calorie basis, you can (have to) eat significantly more protein calories than your body requires to meet its needs.

Sugars and starches are processed directly in to glycogen, which will in turn be metabolized by the body for energy or stored in fat, if there is an excess. Proteins are first broken down in to amino acids, which are first used by the body for cellular replacement, then broken down in to starches and sugars, and then to glycogen for whatever is left over and hasn't passed through. In any case, everything has to be broken down in to glycogen first before being used for either energy or fat storage.

LDJones said:
I used to believe that, too. But there's definitely a difference in how your body responds to different types of calories. Some it processes, some it passes through. Read "Good Calories, Bad Calories"...it's eye-opening.
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Yeah I can eat like a pig if I stick with a low carb diet. If I don't, I have to watch what I eat meticulously in order to avoid gaining weight.

The very obese people you see that feed on bacon and greasy hamburgers all day long are gaining most of their weight from the stack of pancakes drenched in syrup, French fries, and buttered dinner rolls that they also happen to eat during the course of a day. Point being you could cut out the bacon and greasy hamburgers to reduce their saturated fat intake, but they won't lose weight. Instead cut the other stuff and they will.

I mean if you don't overeat or have a weight problem to begin with the whole argument is moot, eat what you want or think is best for you.
 
Pancakes....yum! I would choose pancakes over bacon any day.
 
Skylane81E said:
Calories in < calories out = weight loss
Calories in > calories out = weight gain

So long as you are getting enough of what you need from what you eat the source of the calories is less important
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Others have mentioned some differences in calories.
But there are also many differences in "calories out". Calories out is a function of metabolism. If my wife and I each eat a 100 calorie apple and then we sit on the couch for an hour. She will burn up about twice as many calories as I will because of her metabolism.
I can gain weight on apples. She can lose weight eating an equivalent number of calories in donuts.

But your math still works. She can eat the same number of calories as I do but she will burn more so she will lose weight. Unfortunately, I do consume more calories than she does (not a lot more, but still). That is why I have been going to the Gym twice a day (5:00am and 6:00pm) almost every day for about 2 years to lose 45 lbs, and keep it off. She goes about once a week and still loses weight.
 
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