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RC Group to FAA " Real " Pilots should be blamed for colision with RC airplanes.

RCGroups.com’s Reply
to FAA Memo
“Interpretation of the Special Rule for Model Aircraft”
July 17, 2014
RCGroups.com, a communitybased
organization representing over 500,000 registered
members and over 1.7 million unique visitors each month, has read the recent 17 page memo
and now responds to docket #FAA20140396.
Since the release of this interpretation, our
members have commented energetically on their concerns, and this letter seeks to convey
some of those thoughts to the FAA.
Briefly summarized our comments are:
● The definition of “line of sight” does not follow from the statute and criminalizes behaviors
consistent with responsible, safe operation of model aircraft.
● The FAA’s interpretation betrays Congress’ clear direction to exempt the R/C modeling
hobby from aviation regulations.
Line of Sight
We believe the FAA misunderstands the intent of the words “line of sight” and that the three part
definition provided is contrary to the public safety.
By definition, a model aircraft must be “flown within visual line of sight of the
person operating the aircraft.” P.L. 11295,
section 336(c)(2). Based on the plain
language of the statute, the FAA interprets this requirement to mean that: (1) the aircraft
must be visible at all times to the operator; (2) that the operator must use his or her own
natural vision (which includes vision corrected by standard eyeglasses or contact lenses)
to observe the aircraft; and (3) people other than the operator may not be used in lieu of
the operator for maintaining visual line of sight.
We believe that the intent of “Line of Sight” includes only item #1 in the above. Items #2 and #3
are additional interpretive steps by the FAA that are not founded. Also, the potential benefits of
multiple operators were dismissed capriciously.
Item #1 is correct provided we understand the word “visible” to mean what the statute implies: all
the visible area surrounding the pilot (i.e. the sky not obstructed by trees, buildings and people).
The remaining items proceed from an incorrect substitution of “within visual line of sight” to a
meaning more like “having current visual focus.”
Item #2 prohibits the use of safety devices which could make tracking a distant aircraft easier.
Such devices could even assist the operator with finding an aircraft which has been visually lost.
Pilots do make mistakes! There is no basis for including this as an implication of “line of sight”.
Item #3 apparently allows for the use of an FPV spotter but prohibits allowing that user to also
operate the model aircraft, which is nonsensical. Models can and often do have more than one
operator. There is no reason to disallow one of the operators from using an FPV perspective. A
second operator flying using a first person view has the potential to dramatically increase the
safety of model aircraft flight.
Clearly there is a concern about the use of first person video systems to pilot model aircraft.
This concern is unfounded. Aircraft flown from the first person perspective are much more
easily controlled than aircraft flown from a distant vantage. Users of R/C training simulators
typically begin with a first person view then progress to the much harder task of controlling the
aircraft from a groundbased
vantage point.
To ensure that the operator has the best view of the aircraft, the statutory requirement
would preclude the use of visionenhancing
devices, such as binoculars, night vision
goggles, powered vision magnifying devices, and goggles designed to provide a
“firstperson
view” from the model. Such devices would limit the operator’s field of view
thereby reducing his or her ability to seeandavoid
other aircraft in the area.
Contrary to the opinion of the FAA, it is only through the use of FPV viewpoints that R/C pilots
can effectively manage to seeandavoid
another airborne object. Parallax error makes it very
difficult to determine the relative depth of two objects in the sky. This is easily reproducible.
Maintaining line of sight through the use of binoculars is rare, but has precedent. See the below
photo of world model aviation record setter, Maynard Hill.
Maynard Hill setting a model aircraft altitude record via binocular line of sight.
Photo courtesy the Academy of Model Aeronautics.
While we certainly agree with the importance of ensuring the safety of aircraft occupants, we
must digress to point out that pilots of mancarrying
aircraft are required to stay 500 feet away
from people (FAR 91.119). Pilots of model aircraft would be very hard pressed to intentionally hit
a moving aircraft from their ground reference. In a collision between a model aircraft and a real
aircraft, the assignment of blame should begin by determining whether the pilot of the real
aircraft was recklessly operating within 500 feet of the model aircraft operator. Only after that
could it be determined who was better able to avoid the accident. In most cases this could not
be the operator of the model aircraft.
It is paradoxical to deny model aircraft operators the use of FPV equipment on the basis that it
will allow them to harass pilots of real planes, then assert that they must maintain seeandavoid
without the use of the equipment best able to assist them in seeing if they are on a collision
course.
We believe the statute uses “Line of Sight” to describe the area “within” which the aircraft can be
flown, not the status of the operator’s eyeballs. This area is all the places visible from the pilot’s
vantage point. The statute implies that model aircraft should be flown such that they are not
behind other objects, such as people, trees, and buildings, relative to the pilot. The statute did
not imply that pilots could not augment their vision for safety (e.g. by using binoculars or video
equipment). The FAA has no reason to prohibit operators from flying FPV flights within their own
line of sight, in particular with a safety pilot operating as either primary or secondary pilot through
a “buddy box” type system.
The FAA Interpretation vs the intent of Congress
This section of the memo regarding “commercial” operation weirdly and defensively detours into
areas that have nothing to do with the topic at hand of professional drone flights to address the
nonissue
of commercial model aircraft flights in general, including “receiving money for
demonstrating aerobatics with a model aircraft.” Rather than clarify it confounds.
The FAA errs in too broadly applying the following from P.L. 11295,
section 336(c)
(1) the aircraft is flown strictly for hobby or recreational use
It is our contention that “hobby or recreational use” was meant to include exactly the activity the
FAA believes it excludes. Congress expressly sought to prevent the FAA from regulating the toy
and hobby industry, and that includes those who work within it. Congress allowed for the FAA to
regulate commercial operations because it saw the future of autonomous crop dusting, hobby
atmospheric research vehicles, and autonomously piloted remote sensing vehicles in general.
Such vehicles need regulation to operate such that they do not interfere with mancarrying
aircraft, or each other. A proper clarification would tackle the difficult job of separating these
activities from model aircraft, not lump everything that flies into one group based on the
movement of money after it is flown. The FAA seems determined to jump in where it doesn’t
belong, despite Congress’ direction.
In order for hobby products to be made they must be tested. In order for an R/C training
simulator to be created people must go out and fly the real model to compare it to the simulation.
For reviews to be written people must fly the models under review. These people must be paid.
The FAA’s interpretation makes them the regulatory authority over the design, testing,
production, marketing, and sales of all model aircraft, giving them the power to shut down a
hobby they were expressly forbidden to regulate.
If the goal was to clarify the memo failed. New questions are raised about the future. Will hobby
industry magazines be able to compensate product reviewers who do not have a commercial
pilot license? Will they have to undergo a medical certification process? Urinalysis? Biennial
training? Is a reimbursement of a pilot’s actual expenses considered an act of commerce? Will
there be a waiver process to get around these restrictions?
Thankfully, the FAA stops short of insisting Part 91 fully apply to commercial pilots of model
aircraft. Perhaps a future memo will take us there, years from now after the current cadre of
bureaucrats are long retired, when a future generation is left to “plainly” interpret what was left for
them. Perhaps by then we’ll have applied all the FARs and operators of model aircraft will have
their timely lessons in how to use VOR and DME systems under their belts before receiving their
licenses to operate in the national airspace, which now extends to the air indoors and any
pockets found underground as well for good measure! Perhaps we will learn then that the FAA
has always been so tasked.
The FAA’s misguided attempt to shoehorn model aircraft into regulations obviously intended for
mancarrying
devices is the headwater for the recent veritable torrent of the “What does this
mean?” inquiries the agency is receiving. Clearly it is ludicrous to imagine that Part 91 would be
expanded to cover the sorts of activities mentioned above, yet the memo alludes to Part 91 for
potential actions that could be taken. The FAA missed its opportunity to reassure modelers that
it has no intention of doing something so absurd as applying Part 91 to the professional reviewer
of a hobby product.
Yet we arrive here quite logically, given the pellmell
exegesis the FAA is willing to go through to
gain every authority the loopholes allow.
 
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The FAA starts with the definition of “aircraft” from 49 USC 40102, which says:
(6) “aircraft” means any contrivance invented, used, or designed to navigate, or fly in, the
air.
It then says that since it regulates aircraft, it also regulates model aircraft.
Let’s apply the FAA’s exact same logic to cars. 49 US Code 32901 says:
“automobile” means a 4wheeled
vehicle that is propelled by fuel, or by alternative fuel,
manufactured primarily for use on public streets, roads, and highways and rated at less
than 10,000 pounds gross vehicle weight, …
R/C cars are 4wheeled
vehicles propelled by fuel or alternative fuel. They are manufactured
primarily for use on public streets, roads, and highways (they are also for use on R/C car tracks,
but that is less common). They are rated at less than 10,000 pounds gross vehicle weight.
From this we conclude the Federal Highway Administration is responsible for regulating R/C
cars. Furthermore, we can apply safety standards to R/C cars such as airbags and interior
trunk release mechanisms. We stop short of further illustration for fear we will give the FAA new
ideas.
To consistently apply the FAA’s selective definition of “aircraft” would include things such as
footballs, smoke rings, juggling pins, paper planes, etc. Ridiculous? Yes! But this is not an
argument reductio ad absurdum. The point is that the FAA is not legitimately clarifying. It
disingenuously builds a case that it has always been the one in charge and retcons definitions
willy nilly to prove it. “Aircraft” are all the flying things the FAA wants to control and all flying
things the FAA wants to control are “aircraft.” The definitions are convenient, nothing more.
If Sense Prevailed
We see that the government is under pressure to do something and we accept that of all the
federal agencies the FAA is currently in the best position to act. We stand by the FAA in their
efforts to protect mancarrying
aircraft from the few troubled souls who fly recklessly. We
support the idea of educating the public as to the dangers of flying model aircraft within the
national airspace. We accept the need for regulation to protect the general public from, well,
idiots.
However, the FAA appears overeager
to establish its authority over areas where they are simply
not chartered.
While congress might have allowed for regulation of FPV flight, that does not mean it is in the
interest of public safety to do so. In fact, we believe the FAA’s actions are contrary to public
safety.
Likewise, it is not in the interest of public safety to regulate professionals in the R/C hobby
industry. The FAA already has broad public support, founded in common sense, to regulate
anything that could harm occupants of an aircraft. It does not need to torture definitions to gain
authority over hobby activities as well. There is no actual history of R/C models causing
problems with real aircraft, whether flown professionally or not, provided the operators follow the
already wellestablished
guidelines. In the rare occasion that an operator acts with intent to
harm there is no regulatory void to fill.
We ask that the FAA further clarify the word “commercial” so that it applies to remote sensing
tasks performed by remotely piloted aircraft in such a way that it does not confuse them with
aircraft flown for the enjoyment of the R/C hobby.
 
Re: RC Group believes " Real " Pilots should be blamed for colision with RC airplanes

TL;DR Where's the part you're talking about?
 
Re: RC Group believes " Real " Pilots should be blamed for colision with RC airplanes

WOW....
Delusional does not even begin to describe this boy.
 
Re: RC Group believes " Real " Pilots should be blamed for colision with RC airplanes

It's all about me! It's always someone else at falt.
 
Re: RC Group believes " Real " Pilots should be blamed for colision with RC airplanes

Line of sight means you need to be able to use your natural eye balls to see your toy airplane, what a tool.
 
Re: RC Group believes " Real " Pilots should be blamed for colision with RC airplanes

He contends that the cameras on the drone will be used for collision avoidance.

Seriously.

He can lick my bung.
 
Re: RC Group believes " Real " Pilots should be blamed for colision with RC airplanes

He's backfiring... He said "ah" like 180 times
 
Re: RC Group believes " Real " Pilots should be blamed for colision with RC airplanes

He is applying HIS interpretation of the laws, not the congressional intent. When a law is in question, you must refer to the legislative intent for guidance. He obviously has not done so.
 
Re: RC Group believes " Real " Pilots should be blamed for colision with RC airplanes

This was a response by some RC flier...This is NOT MY Response but somebody else. This will show that these people know squat about aviation...

Taken From HobbyKings website on this subject...


Here is my response to the FAA

I believe the interpretation is a little off. It suggest that flying FPV is not in the pilots view. I personally do not fly FPV at this time, nor have I ever. I do however Fly RC planes.
I am at the age that my eyesight is not as good as it once was. To fly in constant view brings my planes closer to me and at lower altitudes. ( Which btw I have never flown above 400 feet ) and no, I am not near an airport. I set my limits based on my abilities. Some do far more, at far greater heights as their abilities provide them that luxury.

But looking at it from my point of view as an older Hobbyist, being able to fly FPV would be in time easier, and safer, as the pilot is then in a clear field of view of his surroundings with the model in real time. He is not judging distances or orienting the plane or "drone" as many call it, in a manner of guessing. The FPV allows the pilot to actually see where he/she is at all times,
Knowing precisely how close you are to a treeline or the ground and even how high you actually are, could make a grand difference in many situations, and in my opinion far safer.

Our skies are filled with manned planes over our heads every second of everyday, and thousands of planes , several thousand feet above the ground . Most manned Aircraft fly at altitudes based on area and whether it is near an airport or not.
It is a rare event that any manned aircraft is near a RC plane. Most Laws and rules prevent RC planes to be flown at or near airports that would bring those RC planes at the same altitudes with a manned aircraft. Having FPV or not, having a spotter or not or having that RC aircraft in the pilots natural view would not make any difference, in those situations.

Our Military flies daily with "Real Drones" and FPV equipment everyday, across the world. That precise ability to be in one place and see the "world" as it were in another is a grand feat for technology.It brings that technology to keep us safe and to provide real time search and rescue and it also provides surveillance at certain times. That same technology is what FPV RC is based upon. Technology should not be limited to the Military or Commercial businesses, as that is where it is heading, or I should say what the FAA wants it. Our Skies and airspace should also not be limited to the "few" who are deemed eligible based on a Military or Commercial Named entities . Our skies in limited quantities are free to the citizens of this country. We neither seek to overstep our limitations nor take away the Commercial or Military based space either.
If we as citizens re-interpret our freedoms , and decided to limit manned Commercial flight or Military flight in airspace above our heads, as stated earlier, thousands are above us everyday at every moment, where then would the FAA be ?
It would be setting in the position you now place the RC Hobbyists .

As an AMA member ,who as a Hobbyists, abides in guidelines and suggested safety protocol by the AMA, it is my right as an American citizen to have the freedom to pursue my hobby without being imposed upon by re-interpretations of regulations and laws already set forth in agreement already agreed upon by the FAA and AMA and our Congress.

As I stated earlier in this response, as an older Citizen it would be great for me to be able to fly my RC planes with FPV that would allow me to see in real time, where I am at all times. Not having to base my orientation or distances on speculation or assumption, as my eyesight inhibits. It would be far safer to see and experience it in the real time that FPV allows. And it is already a set guideline to also have a spotter for those just in case situations, and all responsible hobbyists follow those guides.

As Technology advances and equipment and ability becomes far easier to obtain, this same technology based hobby of RC flying, whether it be FPV or not, also becomes safer and more reliable. It should not be limited nor took away, based on a re-interpretation of what the FAA deems is correct solely on the interpretation of it's own suggestion that RC Operators endangers the safety of our National Airspace System, when our Airspace is filled with hundreds of thousands of manned aircraft many within just a few feet of each other at any given time. Aircraft ,which by the way relies on the same like Technology to keep them safe one from another,that the FAA has taunted as being the Safest in the world.

Why then boast safety and technology than deny the same from Hobbyists who desire the freedom to enjoy it, without being imposed upon with regulations that would inhibit it ? Should than the FAA be imposed upon with different regulations and inhibited, as we read and hear of the horror stories of the thousands of near misses of manned aircraft, with No RC Operator or equipment involved ?

Please reconsider you suggested interpretation, as it is based solely on personal assumption and not facts.

Thank You
 
Re: RC Group believes " Real " Pilots should be blamed for colision with RC airplanes

He shoots the RC guys down in the first 8 words.
 
Re: RC Group believes " Real " Pilots should be blamed for colision with RC airplanes

Drone and model airplane guys are gonna get a rude awakening. When it comes to human life, their little hobbys do not count. They will be relegated to the equivalent of skate board parks if the push it.
 
Re: RC Group believes " Real " Pilots should be blamed for colision with RC airplanes

FWIW....

At MCAS Miramar, there is a private RC club on short final for 24R. They are supposed to be in comm with MCAS tower, but who knows.
 
Re: RC Group believes " Real " Pilots should be blamed for colision with RC airplanes

As both a 'real' pilot and an RC pilot I find the FAA position to be an extreme over reach that is not supported by current legislation and regulations.

Ultimately, the RC guys who are flying hobby class UAV's using telemetry and FPV will be regulated but even that should, I believe, be established based on weight, range and speed not some knee-jerk reaction to an extraordinarily low number of incidents. A wholesale reactionary attempt to in essence extend FAA control to all RC operations is irrational and unenforceable.

As 'real' pilots we are responsible for see-and-avoid, period. In addition to other aircraft we have to be on the lookout for birds many of which are far smaller yet more dense than the average RC plane and since they usually travel in numbers birds are far more hazardous to us than probably 99.9% of all RC operations including the larger UAV style craft.

The AMA has a great code of conduct and honor system that works. The bad apples will get weeded out (as happens now - some guys are eventually crowded out of operating at fields if they are poor pilots or bad neighbors). The truly high-end hobbyist UAV systems will, when the laws are corrected, fall under FAA jurisdiction but it should be based on real data and a real assessment of real hazards, not emotions or half-baked concerns based on handful of Youtube videos.

'Gimp
 
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.... it should be based on real data and a real assessment of real hazards, not emotions or half-baked concerns based on handful of Youtube videos.

I agree, however as a real pilot you should know that's not how the FAA operates :no:
 
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Yeah being a part of both "sides" - some of the "reasoning" on the RC pilots side makes me wonder about the sanity of some of my fellow modelers when I step up to the flight line anymore.

Hell, one of my clubs has a field ON an airport (SBD), NO amount of justification would ever make me think that FPV would be appropriate there. But then I have no interest in FPV
 
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That video illustrates why the FAA is right. The guy controlling that thing can't see and avoid for ****. He's just happily buzzing around in circles with a narrow field of view, making his YouTube video. To get that high that rig can't be just a tiny little bird sized thing, yet it's not as big as a full sized airplane either. Someone in a real plane, perhaps a regional turbo prop full of passengers cruising at 250kts+ isn't going to have a lot of time for see and avoid.

Big sky, it'll never happen, right? How long before (maybe they already do) start flying these things in clouds? They're completely anonymous, so how long before they decide it's cool to make approaches to SFO? Wouldn't that make a great video? The camera changes everything. Now it's all about bragging rights and likes on their YouTube channel.

People say the pilot population is shrinking because the kids are all playing video games. It looks to me more like potential pilots are f̶l̶y̶i̶n̶g̶ controlling these things and pretending to be real pilots. I really, really admire the guys that build the super detailed scale models of real airplanes and fly routines with them, but just building specialized drones so you can make videos is kind of weak IMO.
 
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Not sure what was going on here (back in 2010 mind you) but glad the bipe made it back to the airport after the collision. That's a pretty big object to hit :nonod:

 
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Not sure what was going on here (back in 2010 mind you) but glad the bipe made it back to the airport after the collision. That's a pretty big object to hit :nonod:

The longer video is available after you watch the short one- it shows lots of tents on the ramp, more RC planes on the taxiway, and airport people with radios. I'm thinking an airport that was NOTAM'd closed for a non-aviation event and somebody didn't get a briefing.

OTOH, I *love* how the RC guy is more worried about his scale model than the manned plane in distress after the collision.
 
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The longer video is available after you watch the short one- it shows lots of tents on the ramp, more RC planes on the taxiway, and airport people with radios. I'm thinking an airport that was NOTAM'd closed for a non-aviation event and somebody didn't get a briefing.

OTOH, I *love* how the RC guy is more worried about his scale model than the manned plane in distress after the collision.

Oh, one has to assume that the pilot of the Bipe absolutely knew what was going on at the airport that day. Why else would he be show boating with a low pass with smoke on? Was it miscommunication, lack of coordination, lack of communication, or just what sometimes what happens to cowboys at hoedown? I don't know.
 
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The longer video is available after you watch the short one- it shows lots of tents on the ramp, more RC planes on the taxiway, and airport people with radios. I'm thinking an airport that was NOTAM'd closed for a non-aviation event and somebody didn't get a briefing.

OTOH, I *love* how the RC guy is more worried about his scale model than the manned plane in distress after the collision.
Went back and found the longer version. What a stupid thing to worry about, especially not knowing how serious the damage was to the biplane.

Like dav8or said below, kind of curious cause he had his smoke on like he was part of the event or at least wanted to be. I can usually see thermaling birds quite a ways off on final approach, I wonder why he didn't see the person-sized RC hovering over the runway and avoid?

Oh, one has to assume that the pilot of the Bipe absolutely knew what was going on at the airport that day. Why else would he be show boating with a low pass with smoke on? Was it miscommunication, lack of coordination, lack of communication, or just what sometimes what happens to cowboys at hoedown? I don't know.

Probably all of the above, although considering it happened in 2010, I bet there's some kind of report on the internet somewhere.
 
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Went back and found the longer version. What a stupid thing to worry about, especially not knowing how serious the damage was to the biplane.

Like dav8or said below, kind of curious cause he had his smoke on like he was part of the event or at least wanted to be. I can usually see thermaling birds quite a ways off on final approach, I wonder why he didn't see the person-sized RC hovering over the runway and avoid?



Probably all of the above, although considering it happened in 2010, I bet there's some kind of report on the internet somewhere.
It was thrashed about here or some other board at the time. Along with links to the RC boards blaming real pilots. I don't think RC/fullsize conflicts are a significant risk and pilots should worry about the stuff that actually kills pilots. And no I don't fly RC.
 
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I was departing 3GM last Thurs, the winds had me taking off on 36 which is a shorter alternate runway, there is a group of RC pilots that are always flying by the airport, but usually well away from the runways, but as I taxied out for runup, I noted one guy was flying his RC right over the runway I was planning to use. thank Goodness he did have line of sight, and by the time I took the runway the plane was gone...But I certainly was worried about it reappearing as a rotated or being over the runway as I returned to land later...

No problems occurred but I can't say I was real comfortable with the situation.
 
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Not sure what was going on here (back in 2010 mind you) but glad the bipe made it back to the airport after the collision. That's a pretty big object to hit :nonod:



From what I understand the RC pilot was told to stay east of the runway and NOT over fly the runway.
 
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There is spirited dialog within the RC community on the issue. I'm one that falls on the side that only FPV (this is the traditional setup where you are holding the transmitter and looking at your model) should be exempted from regulation. The guys using cameras and goggles are deluding themselves into thinking that they can see and avoid other traffic.

There is an interesting case for the goggle guys and a spotter. While it sounds reasonable at first to allow this practice to continue unregulated, the issue comes down to one of is the spotter really in control of the situation. What I can see happening is a guy flying his camera equipped drone and grabbing someone and recruiting someone on the spot to be a spotter. Safety pilots in full size planes are required to be certified pilots themselves.
 
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The closest I've ever gotten to an RC plane was at KFSK (Ft Scott, KS). Just west of the rwy ( I don't remember how far away ), someone was flying their RC airplane. I was landing, in the pattern, and saw another aircraft at about my 2:00 and heading at me. I started to consider evasive action and get on the radio when I figured out it was a scale model. I'm sure the guy on the ground thought he had plenty of room to play, but seeing another airplane pop into view unexpectedly was 'interesting'.

That's something for the RCers to think about. Their scale models look completely different from the vantage point of an airplane. They may look like a full size airplane that is a safe distance away.
 
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The closest I've ever gotten to an RC plane was at KFSK (Ft Scott, KS). Just west of the rwy ( I don't remember how far away ), someone was flying their RC airplane. I was landing, in the pattern, and saw another aircraft at about my 2:00 and heading at me. I started to consider evasive action and get on the radio when I figured out it was a scale model. I'm sure the guy on the ground thought he had plenty of room to play, but seeing another airplane pop into view unexpectedly was 'interesting'.

That's something for the RCers to think about. Their scale models look completely different from the vantage point of an airplane. They may look like a full size airplane that is a safe distance away.

Yep! We had an actual RC aerodrome on a farm 1/2 mile out and just under the approach end of runway 09. Made for some interesting times when you were on short final and saw a plane cross below and in front of you.
 
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That's something for the RCers to think about. Their scale models look completely different from the vantage point of an airplane. They may look like a full size airplane that is a safe distance away.

That is a factor that worries me, too. In judging distances we expect that the object we are looking at is of a certain size. When it isn't the distance estimate gets whacked.
 
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