PreSolo student goes crazy

Be interesting to see what actually happens to the student,and if he makes restitutions for the damage to the aircraft and the loss of income to the flight school.
 
frfly172 said:
Be interesting to see what actually happens to the student,and if he makes restitutions for the damage to the aircraft and the loss of income to the flight school.
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I believe that whilst he can be detained in the USA on the criminal issues, the same is not true for civil issues, so he'll skip before he pays a dime.
 
Seize his log book, and hold until restitution is paid.
 
His home country may not care what the FAA or US courts think.

The log entries may be perfectly good, IF HE HAS the LOGBOOK. :crazy:
 
Kenny Phillips said:
I believe that whilst he can be detained in the USA on the criminal issues, the same is not true for civil issues, so he'll skip before he pays a dime.
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In many other countries, they won’t let you leave if you have unpaid debts/judgements against you.
(Obviously this can’t be enforced every possible way to leave , but for example can’t get cleared thru international terminal for commercial flight home). The USA is not one of those countries.
 
Hopefully he’d paid up in advance (Part 141) and they can just cut into that for the damages.
 
Albany Tom said:
I think we're missing the good part here. Thumbs up to the school for making the call that this guy wasn't ready to solo.
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I have worked with a few guys that were instructors at different flight schools for foreign students. They all said the company pushed these students through to increase profits. Seems the cost of training was paid by the foreign airline and was a set cost so the quicker they get the students through, more profit.
 
For OEM throttle and/or mixture cables and perhaps three hours labor to replace cables and inspect for other damage, ten grand would be a start.
 
Not condoning the actions of the student, but foreign students have a great number of challenges that time builder CFIs are not experienced to address nor are time builder CFIs and 141 operations very empathetic to a struggling foreign student. Particularly for foreign students delays, extensions or failures are economically catastrophic.


There should be consumer protection laws prohibiting flight schools publishing training cost estimates at FAA minimum training hour requirements and requiring those estimates on the schools actual experience or national averages.


From the Treasure Coast site:

Private Pilot
35 hours of flight time in a Cessna 152 – $3858(Cessna 172s And Piper Archer IIIs Also Available But May Change Price Slightly)
35 Hours Of Instructor Time – $1925
5 Hours Of Full Motion Simulator - $700
10 Hours Of Ground School Time – $550
Course Books And Materials – $389
FAA Written Exam -$150
FAA Checkride – $500
Quoted Amount – $8072

How they quote 10 hours of ground school time when 141 ground school minimums are 35 hours is a bit baffling and there is no way to conduct a private ground school in 10 hours Part 61. Also note there is zero hours for pre and post flight brief.
 
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Clip4 said:
Not condoning the actions of the student, but foreign students have a great number of challenges that time builder CFIs are not experienced to address nor are time builder CFIs and 141 operations very empathetic to a struggling foreign student. Particularly for foreign students delays, extensions or failures are economically catastrophic.


There should be consumer protection laws prohibiting flight schools publishing training cost estimates at FAA minimum training hour requirements and requiring those estimates on the schools actual experience or national averages.
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Do they not have access to the internet in those countries, so that potential students can research the costs and other realities of flight training?
 
ateamer said:
Do they not have access to the internet in those countries, so that potential students can research the costs and other realities of flight training?
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Sure they do, how do you think foreign students find Treasure Coast? BS cost estimates built into tuition also affect US citizens training at community colleges and universities.
 
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I agree that the school should mention national averages and set fair expectations "that you might not be a good enough learner to meet the minimums", but it IS possible to get the licenses at the minimum hours threshold. Not seeing the school in the wrong here, except the bit where the 141 minimums for ground school were not presented honestly.
 
ateamer said:
Do they not have access to the internet in those countries, so that potential students can research the costs and other realities of flight training?
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You do understand some foreign students have signed a training contract with their sponsor employer effectively tethering lifelong employment to the employer, whether successful in a program or not.

Without regard to outcome, the cost is clawed back by the employer over the period of employment. Add to that some of those cultures have very negative expectations for those who fail.
 
ateamer said:
Do they not have access to the internet in those countries, so that potential students can research the costs and other realities of flight training?
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Just consider all the US students posting here who didn't research the "other realities" of medical certification.
 
Dana said:
Just consider all the US students posting here who didn't research the "other realities" of medical certification.
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That topic in general seems to be about 75% of reddit...
 
There is a sign at our airport that says damaging a plane is a federal crime. It is not a civil issue but criminal. Maybe someone will take the guy on a flight with a faulty door he may have damaged.
 
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