Why couldn't he get insurance? My policy has no exclusion for off airport landings.I watching for the video when he bends the plane and can’t get insurance.
I guess we shouldn't allow fighter pilots or aerobatic pilots to make flying videos either then.As always, I'm on the fence. On one hand, it's amazing flying, on the other hand, I think it causes people to think this is a normal or safe way to fly. I have no problem with experienced pilots doing this kind of thing, knowing the hazards present and skills needed, but someone new to the hobby can kill themselves very quickly attempting this sort of thing. Slapping an AOA on a plane is not enough to make this safe.
I think you need to read my post slower next time. It's the packaging that makes it seem so normal / mainstream / easy that bothers me.I guess we shouldn't allow fighter pilots or aerobatic pilots to make flying videos either then.
Do you have a previous accident from an off airport landing while making videos?Why couldn't he get insurance? My policy has no exclusion for off airport landings.
Does the OP?Do you have a previous accident from an off airport landing while making videos?
If said person is dumb enough to be influenced by a YouTube video, to attempt maneuvers beyond their skill set, then there isn’t much you can do. Every pilot should know their own limitations and if they don’t, they shouldn’t be flying in the first place.As always, I'm on the fence. On one hand, it's amazing flying, on the other hand, I think it causes people to think this is a normal or safe way to fly. I have no problem with experienced pilots doing this kind of thing, knowing the hazards present and skills needed, but someone new to the hobby can kill themselves very quickly attempting this sort of thing. Slapping an AOA on a plane is not enough to make this safe.
I have no problem with experienced pilots doing this kind of thing, knowing the hazards present and skills needed, but someone new to the hobby can kill themselves very quickly attempting this sort of thing.
No, I am waiting on that video.Does the OP?
I watching for the video when he bends the plane and can’t get insurance.
Do you have a previous accident from an off airport landing while making videos?
I am not against back country flying with a purpose. If you flying in fishing, camping, hunting and practicing technique off season go for it.
The learning curve may not be as steep as it may seem. I’m not seeing any special, difficult to master technique or anything. It can obviously be done without an AOA indicator (I assume this is a marketing video but don’t know).I look at these videos as what “can” be done..with extensive training and practice perhaps.
I am not delusional thinking that after watching one of those vids I’m going to take our stock c182-H and be a bush pilot and land on a gravel bar. I hope ppl don’t get that idea.
They are fun to watch. Cool to see. But not for me to even consider trying.
We don’t see the time that goes into making planning and practicing this stuff.
The learning curve may not be as steep as it may seem. I’m not seeing any special, difficult to master technique or anything. It can obviously be done without an AOA indicator
I agree...but I’d add that it’s an excellent starting point for figuring out what is or isn’t a viable approach.BTW: Just my humble opinion. In real life, the stabilized approach is (mostly) a myth.
It assumes there is a "perfect" way to land the airplane, every time. I advocate learning what is and isn't a viable approach, then figure out how to nail the landing from what you have to work with.
Sort like playing poker. You have to learn to play the hand you are dealt.
I agree...but I’d add that it’s an excellent starting point for figuring out what is or isn’t a viable approach.
I used to start my copilots out at the FAF, on speed, configured, with target power. Stabilized for an excruciating 5 miles. Then I’d let them cut that in half...stabilized by 2.5 miles. Then cut that some more. The end goal was to recognize that as long as you were at 50 feet over the end of the runway, configured, on speed, and at idle, the landing would be the same. Whatever they did to get there (within reason) was fine, but that was the window they had to fly through to land.
For example?Depends on the approach
For example?
I never had copilots while doing those things.Landing in a bending river with 50+ foot trees
Get down low ground effect early, bleed off some speed and add flaps in the turn to the land-able stretch touchdown and flaps out.
Or landing at a runway at the base of a hill, slip in down the side of the hill.
Etc
Vs flying a ILS at your favorite standard issue class charly/bravo airport.
I never had copilots while doing those things.
Must’ve.I must have missed the copilot part
I like his fancy angle of attack gizmo. I think it would make a great training tool.
But.....
It's a substitute for what you should have learned how to do with your own eyes.
We used to call it "sight picture". Do CFIs use that expression anymore?
The problem with the sight picture approach, is:
1. It's different in every airplane. Even the cushion thickness can affect it.
2. It's different for every runway. Except maybe in the Midwest, where curbs count as a change in the horizon.
Some people never do figure it out.
Hence the useful gadget. It eliminates some variables. If it keeps someone from rolling a plane up into a tin foil ball, I'm all for it.
BTW: Just my humble opinion. In real life, the stabilized approach is (mostly) a myth.
It assumes there is a "perfect" way to land the airplane, every time. I advocate learning what is and isn't a viable approach, then figure out how to nail the landing from what you have to work with.
Sort like playing poker. You have to learn to play the hand you are dealt.
I take away from this is I need to do more 40 deg flap landings in the 182. I am guilty of using 20 more often then not as seems easier to really grease. But 40 does allow you really to put it on a spot. Admittedly not as pretty. But one of the club guys is short, really short. He jacks seat up and I forget to put it down all the way and found I like the sight pic of being a bit higher up!! Practice practice Practice.
I guess we shouldn't allow fighter pilots or aerobatic pilots to make flying videos either then.
I’m the same way, if you really need to land at a large class C airspace airport for a good reason I don’t see the issue, but beating your tires up, landing waaay over vref, risking flying around tons of other traffic, risking landing at a airport that’s so often right next to the “hood”, risking being shot or beat up by a crazy cop, risking being financially assaulted by government or a FBO, I’ll play it safe and stay in the backcountry, thanks
Yea but they got fuel trucks and maintenance, which bets the hell out of hiking 20 miles out of the bush.
I watching for the video when he bends the plane and can’t get insurance.