PPL Student - log KC time in EXP Motorglider?

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  1. G-Man

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    A friend has an experimental motorglider and solid skills flying it. He's working on his PPL, and his remaining tasks include ~2.5 hours of solo cross-country time.

    Can he fly the solo time in the experimental motorglider and log that time for his PPL?

    Main motivation to do this is the financial savings versus renting a Cessna 172. Thanks for the POA help!
     
  2. Brad Z

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    The answer is no. If the aircraft is certificated as a motor glider, it is not certificated as a sing engine airplane. Ironically, in some cases the same aircraft could be certificated as either a motor glider or a single engine airplane, but it’s an “either-or”, not both.

    You can find it in 14 CFR 61.109.

    (a) For an airplane single-engine rating. Except as provided in paragraph (k) of this section, a person who applies for a private pilot certificate with an airplane category and single-engine class rating must log at least 40 hours of flight time that includes at least 20 hours of flight training from an authorized instructor and 10 hours of solo flight training in the areas of operation listed in §61.107(b)(1) of this part, and the training must include at least—

    (1) 3 hours of cross-country flight training in a single-engine airplane;

    (2) Except as provided in §61.110 of this part, 3 hours of night flight training in a single-engine airplane that includes—

    (i) One cross-country flight of over 100 nautical miles total distance; and

    (ii) 10 takeoffs and 10 landings to a full stop (with each landing involving a flight in the traffic pattern) at an airport.

    (3) 3 hours of flight training in a single-engine airplane on the control and maneuvering of an airplane solely by reference to instruments, including straight and level flight, constant airspeed climbs and descents, turns to a heading, recovery from unusual flight attitudes, radio communications, and the use of navigation systems/facilities and radar services appropriate to instrument flight;

    (4) 3 hours of flight training with an authorized instructor in a single-engine airplane in preparation for the practical test, which must have been performed within the preceding 2 calendar months from the month of the test; and

    (5) 10 hours of solo flight time in a single-engine airplane, consisting of at least—

    (i) 5 hours of solo cross-country time;

    (ii) One solo cross country flight of 150 nautical miles total distance, with full-stop landings at three points, and one segment of the flight consisting of a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles between the takeoff and landing locations; and

    (iii) Three takeoffs and three landings to a full stop (with each landing involving a flight in the traffic pattern) at an airport with an operating control tower.
     
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    Thanks for your help and the solid info, even if it is disappointing.
     
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    Yeah Brad is correct. It is sorta, kinda like me being both ASEL and Glider rated but I cannot fly a motor glider until I get an endorsement from a CFI. An airplane and a glider are two different animals and a motor glider is a glider by definition.
     
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    correct, they changed the rules shortly after a friend of my got is Private airplane Single Engine Land rating with only about 10 hours in an airplane. He really only needed to add night flying, he had all the requirements for the Rating back when the rules said aircraft instead or airplane.

    Brian
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