PPG/PPC powered paraglider/parachute non-owner insurance?

[Let'sgoflying!]

A school I looked into says you must pay if you break their aircraft during training
They knew nothing about insurance
Think a broker would be able to find insurance?

 

[Dana]

Highly doubtful. Few PPGers even have liability, much less hull.

BTW, PPG (powered paraglider) is NOT the same thing as powered parachute (PPC).

 

[Let'sgoflying!]

Highly doubtful. Few PPGers even have liability, much less hull.

BTW, PPG (powered paraglider) is NOT the same thing as powered parachute (PPC).

oh thanks
i’ll look into that better

 

[Let'sgoflying!]

To follow up with my learning about these vehicles, I found this - do offer corrections please!

Powered Parachute (PPC) is a heavy, stable, 3- or 4-wheeled cart steered with foot pedals.
A Powered Paraglider (PPG), or paramotor, is an ultralight aircraft consisting of a backpack motor or lightweight trike, steered with hand toggles.
They have completely different airfoils

And to confuse me further, these sites refers to “Paramotor”

Texas Paramotor Training – Elite paramotor training in Texas, taught by top U.S. pilots. Limited to 36 students per year for maximum focus, safety, and skill.

texasparamotortraining.com

Powered Paragliding & Paramotor Flight Training in San Antonio, Texas

Learn to fly with certified paramotor training in San Antonio. Lone Star Paramotor offers expert instruction, gear guidance, and a proven flight curriculum.

lonestarparamotor.com

 

[Dana]

To follow up with my learning about these vehicles, I found this - do offer corrections please!

Powered Parachute (PPC) is a heavy, stable, 3- or 4-wheeled cart steered with foot pedals.
A Powered Paraglider (PPG), or paramotor, is an ultralight aircraft consisting of a backpack motor or lightweight trike, steered with hand toggles.

And to confuse me further, these sites refers to “Paramotor”

Texas Paramotor Training – Elite paramotor training in Texas, taught by top U.S. pilots. Limited to 36 students per year for maximum focus, safety, and skill.

texasparamotortraining.com

Powered Paragliding & Paramotor Flight Training in San Antonio, Texas

Learn to fly with certified paramotor training in San Antonio. Lone Star Paramotor offers expert instruction, gear guidance, and a proven flight curriculum.

lonestarparamotor.com

Correct. Also PPCs are often 2 seat and usually registered experimental or LSA. PPGs are strictly ultralight, with 2 seat operations only under a training exemption to part 103.

A PPG is like an aerial jet ski, fun and maneuverable, whereas a PPC is more like those pontoon party boats, made to cruise around and enjoy the sights.

"Paramotors" = PPG. The term was already generic before some clowns in NY (Paramotor, inc.) trademarked it and started suing anybody else who used the term. They're gone now.

 

[Let'sgoflying!]

i was surprised to learn that I’m not going to get rated (in either) then just hop in a dual craft and give my friends rides.

 

[Lowflynjack]

I got my aviation photography start in Powered Parachutes. I loved to capture light going through the fabric.

Other than aerobatics, flying a PPC was probably my favorite way to fly. Relaxed, kicking back and cruising around in the breeze and seeing the sites.

 

[RussR]

i was surprised to learn that I’m not going to get rated (in either) then just hop in a dual craft and give my friends rides.

I'm not sure which one you are pursuing, but as far as I know in a PPC once you get your rating it's like any other aircraft rating and you can carry passengers

If you're training for a PPG/Paramotor, whether foot launch or trike, then you are correct, it's an ultralight and you can't carry passengers (without the waiver for training).

I fly foot-launch paramotors, and it's a fantastic way to enjoy aviation!

 

[Lowflynjack]

I'm not sure which one you are pursuing, but as far as I know in a PPC once you get your rating it's like any other aircraft rating and you can carry passengers

Correct, I have a PPC License and can carry passengers. There are ultralight PPCs with one seat as well.

 

[Let'sgoflying!]

let’s say i go for the training then want to have one at home for my own use. Which?

ppg=usually motor on your back*, no real seat, running starts & landing on feet.
paraglider wing
Less stable, but shorter fields.
Lighter, more maneuverable.
Faster.
Easier setup & putaway.
.
No passengers right away (it’s more difficult)
*trike versions available



ppc=a cart or metal frame trike
opposite qualities to ppg above
ram air wing

 

[Dana]

let’s say i go for the training then want to have one at home for my own use. Which?

If you want to float around while watching the scenery, maybe with a passenger, PPC. Except for a very few part 103 PPCs, you need a sport pilot PPC rating.

If you want the agile equivalent of an aerial jet ski or dirt bike, carving turns at treetop level, maybe dragging your foot in the sand of the beach, or if you want to use the engine to gain altitude before shutting down to soar, then PPG... especially if you have a few friends with their own PPGs; it's a social thing.

No passengers right away (it’s more difficult)

No "passengers" at all; only students under the training exemption to part 103. But yes, it's difficult and both pilot instructor and passenger student must be reasonably athletic.

ppg=usually motor on your back*, no real seat, running starts & landing on feet.

There is a seat. At takeoff you're hanging by the crotch straps, but then you slide back and wiggle your butt into the seat, it's actually quite comfortable.

ppc=a cart or metal frame trike
opposite qualities to ppg above
ram air wing

PPG is ram air wing too, just higher aspect ratio and much more efficient.