POA Owners

[evapilotaz]

Who owns PilotsofAmerica Website?

Does it have any site sponsors? I don't see any.
Does it have moderators? How does one become a moderator?

Its a great site for what it is. Nothing fancy without a bunch of ads.

Thanks.

 

[Sac Arrow]

Who owns PilotsofAmerica Website?

Does it have any site sponsors? I don't see any.
Does it have moderators? How does one become a moderator?

Its a great site for what it is. Nothing fancy without a bunch of ads.

Thanks.

The POA management council is a super secret society the requires blood initiations to join.

 

[AdamZ]

David, Pilots of America is a not for profit non stock corporation. The Board is moderated by a Management Counsel comprised of 7 long time participants in the board. We try to keep it as simple as possible and enact Terms of Service that preserve the community nature of the board at least as much as we can. There is no "Application" for the MC, but rather as slots open the MC will nominate someone from the board to fill that slot.

Glad you like the board.

 

[Henning]

Who owns PilotsofAmerica Website?

Does it have any site sponsors? I don't see any.
Does it have moderators? How does one become a moderator?

Its a great site for what it is. Nothing fancy without a bunch of ads.

Thanks.

Jessie owns it and pays for it, he inherited it from Chuck Haebrle who started it when AOPA said they were closing the Yellow Board. Occasionally there have been fund raisers among the users, some times there have been premium 'features' you could buy like an enlarged Avatar.

There is no corporate sponsorship by design and intent on inception and Jessie has felt to keep it that way although he could potentially do well with some ads.

There are a few moderators who luckily are about the laziest moderators you can find. If you want to find out who they all are, just keep hitting "bad post" at various times of day and the will all eventually respond.

I view the position of moderator much the same as any police or politician, the ones that want the job, probably shouldn't have the job. I don't vote for anyone that wants my vote.

 

[AdamZ]

Jessie owns it and pays for it, he inherited it from Chuck Haebrle who started it when AOPA said they were closing the Yellow Board. Occasionally there have been fund raisers among the users, some times there have been premium 'features' you could buy like an enlarged Avatar.

There is no corporate sponsorship by design and intent on inception and Jessie has felt to keep it that way although he could potentially do well with some ads.

There are a few moderators who luckily are about the laziest moderators you can find. If you want to find out who they all are, just keep hitting "bad post" at various times of day and the will all eventually respond.

I view the position of moderator much the same as any police or politician, the ones that want the job, probably shouldn't have the job. I don't vote for anyone that wants my vote.

Mmmm pretty much wrong on every account Henning.

1) Jesse does not own POA and he certainly didn't inherit it from Chuck.
2) The names of the MC including myself are no secret.
3) Lazy? Well your entitled to your opinion.
4) No one on the MC has asked to join the MC

 

[Sac Arrow]

I view the position of moderator much the same as any police or politician, the ones that want the job, probably shouldn't have the job. I don't vote for anyone that wants my vote.

This has been my observation as well. I am an admin level moderator on a couple of sportbike forums, and those few people that became moderators after having requested the position never worked out.

We normally track people's posts over a long period of time, and invite them in when there is an open slot. Out of hundreds of participating members, you can normally count moderator material on one hand.

 

[AdamZ]

. Out of hundreds of participating members, you can normally count moderator material on one hand.

One hand with a couple of amputations.:wink2:

 

[Henning]

Mmmm pretty much wrong on every account Henning.

1) Jesse does not own POA and he certainly didn't inherit it from Chuck.
2) The names of the MC including myself are no secret.
3) Lazy? Well your entitled to your opinion.
4) No one on the MC has asked to join the MC

1) Please correct me as to who owns POA and how it got from Chuck to whomever/whatever has it now.
2) I never said it was.
3) In comparison to some other boards you're veritable sloths, I do not regard this negatively, over zealous moderation is really annoying.
4) I understand this, that was in regards to "how does one become a moderator?" If you wanna be one, you're probably not gonna be one here.

 

[evapilotaz]

Thanks Adam. I like the look and feel of POA without the ADs cluttering the site.

Someone should make a little money from this site. Maybe a donation Tab.

 

[jesse]

Who owns PilotsofAmerica Website?

The Pilots of America website, name, and whatever else is owned by the Pilots of America non-profit corporation which is managed by the Management Council. The server which runs the website is located in the state of Nebraska, and is ran by a "team" of experienced IT professionals who run much larger web applications professionally.

Does it have any site sponsors? I don't see any.

We do not have any sponsors and so far have avoided the need to obtain any. We have at times, it's been many years, reached out to our members to raise funds for various initiatives and it's always a rather small amount of money. We do however avoid taking donations as history has shown that some of those who donate expect to be treated differently which we don't do. We've had to give people their "donations" back to them when they've became upset that they didn't get special treatment.

In general, we always have much less than 1 AMU in operating cash in the bank.

Most of the operating costs (monthly hosting) are paid for by a technical corporation that a few of us work for. That corporation has no interests that would control how we run the site.

Does it have moderators? How does one become a moderator?

The site is managed by the Management Council, currently the following members are on the council:
Spike: http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/member.php?u=151
Adam: http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/member.php?u=106
Mari: http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/member.php?u=253
Bill: http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/member.php?u=16
Greg: http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/member.php?u=61
Jason: http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/member.php?u=1312
Jesse: http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/member.php?u=590

No individual management council member ever takes action on their own. Everything we do is the result of a certain number of required votes (depending on the action being taken). This keeps things pretty fair and balanced and drama free.

We make all our decisions based on the Rules of Conduct, located here: http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_faq_rules_of_conduct

We are "lazy" by design. We respond to issues on the website based on the complaints of our members. If we see something we may not "like" but our members aren't complaining about we generally let it be. I feel this serves our community the best. The last thing we want is the personal interests of the management council itself to steer the community. We let the community steer itself.

New management council members are selected by the management council when an existing member decides it's time for them to move on.

Its a great site for what it is. Nothing fancy without a bunch of ads.

Thanks, we're pretty unique in the fact that we have such a large member base and no corporate interests that steer what we do.

 

[evapilotaz]

Excellent James! Thanks.

 

[CTLSi]

The Pilots of America website, name, and whatever else is owned by the Pilots of America non-profit corporation which is managed by the Management Council. The server which runs the website is located in the state of Nebraska, and is ran by a "team" of experienced IT professionals who run much larger web applications professionally.


We do not have any sponsors and so far have avoided the need to obtain any. We have at times, it's been many years, reached out to our members to raise funds for various initiatives and it's always a rather small amount of money. We do however avoid taking donations as history has shown that some of those who donate expect to be treated differently which we don't do. We've had to give people their "donations" back to them when they've became upset that they didn't get special treatment.

Most of the operating costs (monthly hosting) are paid for by a technical corporation that a few of us work for. That corporation has no interests that would control how we run the site.


The site is managed by the Management Council, currently the following members are on the council:
Spike: http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/member.php?u=151
Adam: http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/member.php?u=106
Mari: http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/member.php?u=253
Bill: http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/member.php?u=16
Greg: http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/member.php?u=61
Jason: http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/member.php?u=1312
Jesse: http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/member.php?u=590

No individual management council member ever takes action on their own. Everything we do is the result of a certain number of required votes (depending on the action being taken). This keeps things pretty fair and balanced and drama free.

We make all our decisions based on the Rules of Conduct, located here: http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_faq_rules_of_conduct

We are "lazy" by design. We respond to issues on the website based on the complaints of our members. If we see something we may not "like" but our members aren't complaining about we generally let it be. I feel this serves our community the best. The last thing we want is the personal interests of the management council itself to steer the community. We let the community steer itself.

New management council members are selected by the management council when an existing member decides it's time for them to move on.


Thanks, we're pretty unique in the fact that we have such a large member base and no corporate interests that steer what we do.

It's a great site. And one of the best for aviation online. Thanks for volunteering and keeping it going... (a newbie).

 

[evapilotaz]

It's a great site. And one of the best for aviation online. Thanks for volunteering and keeping it going... (a newbie).

I concur.

 

[Henning]

Speaking of fund raisers, isn't it about time for a round of shirts and buttonless hats? Or do those turn into a $.02hr nightmare?

 

[Bill]

I am an admin level moderator on a couple of sportbike forums

What sportbike fora do you admin? Are they littered with ads?

 

[eman1200]

......We do however avoid taking donations as history has shown that some of those who donate expect to be treated differently which we don't do. We've had to give people their "donations" back to them when they've became upset that they didn't get special treatment......

1) in my opinion PoA is run far better than another forum I'm on (non-aviation) that regularly asks for donations and absolutely treats donating members differently than non. I would, however, be happy to contribute to this forum if asked.

2) if I haven't said it before, THANKS to PoA and all it's moderators for the work they do.

3) all of the moderators on this forum are awesome except for 1. that's all imma say 'bout that.

4) I may just be kidding in point #3.

 

[SixPapaCharlie]

I think it is a great site. Only thing that needs changing is that logo.
Looks like it was made in MS paint back in the Win 3.1 days.

Would be cool also to have user gallery. So far haven't found it if it exists. On another forum I frequent, user CP has a place to upload multiple photos. I would like to know what some of you look like and see what you are flying in more detail.

 

[eman1200]

...Would be cool also to have user gallery. So far haven't found it if it exists. On another forum I frequent, user CP has a place to upload multiple photos. I would like to know what some of you look like and see what you are flying in more detail.

you do NOT want to see what I look like........

 

[Sac Arrow]

What sportbike fora do you admin? Are they littered with ads?

PM sent. But as for ads, yes they are littered with ads. The company that bought them instituted this policy where you can buy a "premium" membership that reduces the ads to a tolerable level.

It works, but the sportbike forums are a different demographic that aviation forums.

 

[frfly172]

I enjoy the forum, and appreciate the moderators hard work. Just wish we had some POA gear you could purchase. Probably more a pain than its worth. Thanks again Ron

 

[flyingron]

4) I understand this, that was in regards to "how does one become a moderator?" If you wanna be one, you're probably not gonna be one here.

And I wouldn't want to join any club that would have be as a member.

 

[Henning]

I think it is a great site. Only thing that needs changing is that logo.
Looks like it was made in MS paint back in the Win 3.1 days.

That's likely not far off from reality.

 

[evapilotaz]

Not interested in being a moderator. I was one in a popular RC forum. Never again.

 

[PPC1052]

I think it is a great site. Only thing that needs changing is that logo.
Looks like it was made in MS paint back in the Win 3.1 days.

Would be cool also to have user gallery. So far haven't found it if it exists. On another forum I frequent, user CP has a place to upload multiple photos. I would like to know what some of you look like and see what you are flying in more detail.

Well, then drag your ass to some of the fly-ins.

 

[N5922S]

Just to add my 2 cents' worth (well, since Obama, about .048 cents' worth), thank you for a great site.

 

[Jim Logajan]

The Pilots of America website, name, and whatever else is owned by the Pilots of America non-profit corporation which is managed by the Management Council.

Just curious...

Are all the MC members on the corporation's board of directors?

Who has been financing operations for the last 12 months?

What state is PoA incorporated in?

If it were a tree, what kind of tree would it be?

What is its favorite color?

 

[jesse]

Just curious...

Are all the MC members on the corporation's board of directors?

I handle the tech side, not the law side, so no clue.

Who has been financing operations for the last 12 months?

There hasn't been any costs to cover in the last 12 months other than an environment to stick a server in with power and bandwidth which is provided to the PoA corporation for free. The server is in a colocation facility with redundant power, bandwidth, and cooling. There has probably been a legal issue or two that may have popped up in that time period which is handled by our MC members that are lawyers.

The last "expense" we probably had was this: http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42410 which cost probably $50 and was covered by the limited funds we have in the bank from the last time we raised money which was many years ago. We may have had a domain renewal since then which would have been covered by those funds as well. Now that I think about it I think we had a hard drive fail a year or two ago which was a sub $100 part to replace.

The last time we raised money, I think, was when we bought the server we are currently running on. Thread about that here:
http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28186

What state is PoA incorporated in?

Pennsylvania

 

[Sac Arrow]

What is its favorite color?

I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I'm going to guess blue.

 

[Scott@KTYR]

Thanks POA and management for a great website.

 

[JOhnH]

Just to add my 2 cents' worth (well, since Obama, about .048 cents' worth), thank you for a great site.

I concur about it being a great site. It would be well worth some sort of sign-up fee, or maybe a small annual fee. Maybe the moderators could take a small stipend. I always used to say that Dr. Bruce should have received some compensation for all his advice.

This is also a good time to give kudo's to the entire MC, even Mari (or maybe especially Mari), since she is probably the one I disagree with most and she is always good and humorous about it. There are other members with whom I disagree more, but they are not on the MC. But you all do a great job. And your "laziness" is part of what makes it great.

 

[Sac Arrow]

I concur about it being a great site. It would be well worth some sort of sign-up fee, or maybe a small annual fee.

Good way to kill off a message board.

 

[Jim Logajan]

What state is PoA incorporated in?

Pennsylvania

Thanks for answering that and the other questions. I see by the PA corporation web search that the non-profit was listed as created on 5/29/2009. So it would appear Chuck Haebrele operated and owned the site prior to his emancipation: http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34693

I'd hazard a guess that the reality is that the web hosting site is subsidizing the server connections costs. So I would assume it fair to say they are financing most of PoA's operating costs?

What is its favorite color?

I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I'm going to guess blue.

If it were a tree, what kind of tree would it be?

Since the tree question remains unanswered I can only assume someone is trying to hide something. I wont rest until it is answered! Except for afternoon naps, sleeping at night, and the occasional nodding off at my work desk.

 

[Sac Arrow]

Thanks for answering that and the other questions. I see by the PA corporation web search that the non-profit was listed as created on 5/29/2009. So it would appear Chuck Haebrele operated and owned the site prior to his emancipation: http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34693

I'd hazard a guess that the reality is that the web hosting site is subsidizing the server connections costs. So I would assume it fair to say they are financing most of PoA's operating costs?





Since the tree question remains unanswered I can only assume someone is trying to hide something. I wont rest until it is answered! Except for afternoon naps, sleeping at night, and the occasional nodding off at my work desk.

Well let's work backwards here. If we've established the tree color is "blue", and that they are trying to hide something (e.g. keep it "down under"), then since we know there isn't actually a blue tree, it's a reference to a "Blue Gum" tree, which is a type of Eucalyptus popularly imported from Australia in the early 1800's.

 

[jesse]

So it would appear Chuck Haebrele operated and owned the site prior to his emancipation

Correct. Chuck transfered ownership to the Corporation.

I'd hazard a guess that the reality is that the web hosting site is subsidizing the server connections costs. So I would assume it fair to say they are financing most of PoA's operating costs?

You could say that but the reality is that the space where the server resides would otherwise be unoccupied and the bandwidth usage is a small small fraction of the bandwidth we have available in the data center. So it really doesn't cost that company much of anything.

That said we are moving most of our equipment out of that data center in an effort to move all our operations to Amazon AWS. When that happens, the PoA server will need a new home, but I'll likely be able to figure out something without expenses attached.

 

[Henning]

Well let's work backwards here. If we've established the tree color is "blue", and that they are trying to hide something (e.g. keep it "down under"), then since we know there isn't actually a blue tree, it's a reference to a "Blue Gum" tree, which is a type of Eucalyptus popularly imported from Australia in the early 1800's.

There are blue trees...

 

[Henning]

Correct. Chuck transfered ownership to the Corporation.


You could say that but the reality is that the space where the server resides would otherwise be unoccupied and the bandwidth usage is a small small fraction of the bandwidth we have available in the data center. So it really doesn't cost that company much of anything.

That said we are moving most of our equipment out of that data center in an effort to move all our operations to Amazon AWS. When that happens, the PoA server will need a new home, but I'll likely be able to figure out something without expenses attached.

Can't you just back door it into SkyNet?

 

[Jim Logajan]

That said we are moving most of our equipment out of that data center in an effort to move all our operations to Amazon AWS. When that happens, the PoA server will need a new home, but I'll likely be able to figure out something without expenses attached.

For the record, I've always had fast load and search times when using the current site location. Better than most sites I visit. Of course many of them are loaded down with URLs that require DNS resolution or connections to other sites, such as ads or Google analytics.

 

[AdamZ]

Just curious...

Are all the MC members on the corporation's board of directors?

Essentially, yes. There are four officers:
Pres. Spike
V.P. Greg
Sec. Bill
Treas. Me

Who has been financing operations for the last 12 months?

We have a small bank account with a few hundred dollars in it that we use for needed expenses such as when we upgraded to a newer version of V. Bulletin . Other than that the Company that Jesse and Jason work for generously donate the server space and tech savy. I have donated the legal services and some expenses for incorporation. Spike and I have also donated services for some federal filings. I also do what little banking there is.

What state is PoA incorporated in?

POA is a Pennsylvania not for profit non stock corp.

If it were a tree, what kind of tree would it be?

A Blue Spruce

What is its favorite color?

Blue

Thanks for answering that and the other questions. I see by the PA corporation web search that the non-profit was listed as created on 5/29/2009. So it would appear Chuck Haebrele operated and owned the site prior to his emancipation: http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34693

I'd hazard a guess that the reality is that the web hosting site is subsidizing the server connections costs. So I would assume it fair to say they are financing most of PoA's operating costs?

Jim, No and Yes. Chuck did create POA although he operated it along with an MC he did not call all the shots and admirably refused to do so. When he stepped down he basically turned it over to the existing MC. After a period of time, and I'm sorry I can't recall how long, for a number of reasons the MC decided it would be best to incorporate. At this point yes the primary operating costs is the server on which our blue world resides and that is donated by the company that Jesse and Jason work for. On occasion there will be legal issues that come up and Spike and I handle those.

Since the tree question remains unanswered I can only assume someone is trying to hide something. I wont rest until it is answered! Except for afternoon naps, sleeping at night, and the occasional nodding off at my work desk.

LOL

 

[AggieMike88]

I think it is a great site. Only thing that needs changing is that logo.
Looks like it was made in MS paint back in the Win 3.1 days.

Would be cool also to have user gallery. So far haven't found it if it exists. On another forum I frequent, user CP has a place to upload multiple photos. I would like to know what some of you look like and see what you are flying in more detail.

Shane (Archammer) came up with a possible. Lots of hidden cool visuals in it too. Try to find the PAPI & the Runway.

 

[evapilotaz]

What is the backend of this Site? SQL, Oracle or other????