Plane fantasizing

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  1. Ozone

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    In my quest to ignore the dreary drumbeat of icky news, I frequent the trade-a-plane website. Today, I saw 1958 comanche 250 & a 1961 Beech N35. Both had same/similar avionics, engine times, price, etc.

    Which would you buy, if everything was equal?
    Which one has less costly maintenance?
    Which one would you put your family in?
    Which one get better gas mileage?

    -just curious to know where the consensus lies....
     
  2. texasclouds

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    Cessna 195, thank me later.
     
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    Knowing that with my budget, all I could do would be to sit on the ramp in a lawn chair and stare at it... Beech.
     
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    You asked that on PoA? Of course the answer is the Bo! You must be new here.

    Other than that, we can discuss the Lycosauras vs Continental, fixed vs retract, Fuel Injection vs Carb. All we're missing is High wing vs low wing for this pairing. ;)

    ATBE I actually vote Bo on this one.
     
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  5. Mtns2Skies

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    This guy knows what's up.
     
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    I think the Beech is a better looking airplane, but I have a (completely baseless) feeling that caring for an old Piper will be easier on the pocketbook.
     
  7. Unit74

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    Comanche.... for style, Bo for support and parts. Or forgo it all and get a GV 650 of course.......
     
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  8. Unit74

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    Just like every.... other .... Bonanza out there on every ramp you fly to. You don't see Comanches too often. Side by side, I'll bet people are drawn to the Piper over the Beech when it comes to ramp appeal.
     
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    Personally, I like the looks and outward visibility of the Beech. I hear they land easier too. I like the engine in the Piper.
     
  10. Twin_Flyer

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    And of course SIngle Engine vs Multi Engine...:goofy:
     
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    Just buy oil by the gallon ...
     
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    But it’s a V-tail! My first instructor when I started my PPL and I were watching one taxi up to the FBO while we were going out to start a lesson. I had not seen one in person and was enamored with it. He said “nothing says ‘hey I have a huge ****’ like rolling up to the FBO in a V-tail Bonanza.”
     
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    Buy both of them. That way you'll always have one to fly while the other is down for annual or waiting on parts. ;)
     
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    I've seen them side by side many times, it seems like Comanches are smaller because they are lower to the ground.
     
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    True, there are a lot of Debonair/Bonanzas out there - but something Beech did with the design really resonates with me. Also really love the ramp presence when you stand up next to one. That's not to say I don't like the Comanche - I think that's a good looking plane too, and if shopping for an airplane of that vintage, it's probably what I'd buy.
     
  16. Unit74

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    The odds of that are staggering.... Bought a lotto ticket yet?o_O
     
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    I am having the Barron Vs 310 arguement in my fantasy searches for a twin as the plan in 2-3 years myself.
     
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    Yep! I know the feeling


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    Grease in a perfect landing in a 195, men will want to shake your hand at the ramp, women will want to bear your children, children will look to you as a hero, tower will say “nice plane!”, ground will give you preferential treatment, and you my friend will have arrived.
     
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    You and me both man!
     
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    Something about the lines on that plane just make you all warm and fuzzy inside.
     
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    Twin Bo
     
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    You have to be on your toes when you're landing them. Huge cabin though
     
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  24. Twin_Flyer

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    310 hands down....:goofy:
     
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    All of you are wrong... Aerostar!

    Actually the 195 might just be the most beautiful GA plane. Period.
     
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  26. ktup-flyer

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    Nope. Twin Bonanza. Proven fact :D
     
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    I'm just here so people can get #triggered about me coming within a square mile of a thread that utters the word comanche LOL. :D

    Joking aside, my answer is: neither. Get a C33A or newer equivalent. The -A suffixes are IO-520 285HP variants of the same airframe by the way. Personally I would get a G33 (260hp IO-470 from the factory) if you could find one. An IO-470N modded C33 (whereas stock is 225hp 7:1 CR cylinder IO470J/K) is the same airplane but you cannot legally bump the MGW, which makes it a limited upgrade imo. The G33 came with the legal increase from the factory. To be clear, the -As have higher MGWs than the 225hp or 260hp equipped ones, as one would expect.

    I used to feel strongly about the differences between getting into a -520 vice -470, or hell even tsio-360. I no longer feel that way. They're all equally likely to chunk an exhaust valve and ruin your day, as they have members of this forum in the recent past. So the added hassle of the 520 chunking the alternator gear doesn't really keep me up at night in that context anymore. Ditto for a spun starter adapter eating your steak dinner money, or a VAR crank expense, or turbo ducting woes on the tsio. You either buy into it or you don't. On the Lyco side, Comanche 250 chunked a camshaft in cruise two weeks ago out of the blue, and I considered that engine bulletproof. Bottom line, engines are sunk costs in this hobby. Get a chute or a second engine, if that's what you're worried about regarding the whole "which would you put your family in?" question. I've yet to have a power loss on my Lyco O-320 (prior) and IO-360 (current) respectively, understanding these small mills are not apples to apples to the performance of the 250HP+ birds you're talking about. BL, I consider powerplants the real achilles heel of this hobby. I rationalize my choices within the limitations of the hobby, or I exit stage.

    icky news? Hope nothing's wrong with your current ship.
     
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    Like flyin a double wide!!!
     
  29. Checkout_my_Six

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    meh....they are all nice....and have strengths and weaknesses. :D
     
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    Staggerwing


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    That too.
     
  32. Checkout_my_Six

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    I'd say the thinking here is all wrong....it's not the purchase price but, the ownership costs that matter.
     
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    This 195 had a rough landing
     
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    Comanche. Because that's the second plane I will never buy, a couple years after the first plane I will never buy. Lotto tickets in hand while I work another shift. :rolleyes:
     
  35. MooneyDriver78

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    Yuck! You guys must be old if you like the 195 or bi wings!Exclamation point!


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    Sigh...I thought we already cleared this up for you. :)
     
  37. kayoh190

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    Hahaha you certainly have! I’m like most wannabe owners - all over the map when looking at airplanes. But the 310 definitely holds the spot for “okay, let’s stop screwing around”. ;)
     
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    Cardinals have the same effect and burn a lot less gas and oil ;):D
     
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    Guilty as charged. And proud of it I might add


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  40. MooneyDriver78

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    The only question I have is what drugs are you on....I want some!

    If you had said Mooney instead of a 195...

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