Pilot Needs a Bathroom??

Everskyward said:
then I realized it was milk.
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Lactose intolerance is relatively common. Does cheese give the same symptoms? You can buy an O-T-C supplement like Lact-aid (or generic) which will permit you to eat dairy products without ill effect.

-Skip
 
Skip Miller said:
Lactose intolerance is relatively common. Does cheese give the same symptoms? You can buy an O-T-C supplement like Lact-aid (or generic) which will permit you to eat dairy products without ill effect.
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I am allergic to milk, so no cheese or milk or anything dairy. Hell I was only breast fed twice.

But here is some information about milk, since all of you helped me. If you do not eat or drink milk often, your body will reject it more when you do. All of my girlfriends ate less milk products while dating me, so we could share food. But when they ate ice cream or milk they blamed me for giving them my allergy. Since they got an upset stomach. Too bad my allergy closes my throat and makes it hard to breath, not upset my stomach.

Milk is very hard to digest, so as most get older, it upsets the stomach. My father now eats pizza without cheese as I have always had to. And you know how many free pizzas I have gotten, since most screw it up putting on cheese and do not recognize my allergy. On a couple occasions, some even thought I was joking and laughed. Needless to say, I got written apologies from the companies. A little overboard, but any milk and I get to go to the hospital and stay overnight and an IV with benedril.
 
Well, I use traveljohns for peeing and I have not had to poop in the plane but once a long time ago before I had a traveljohn I sat on top of a rectangular tupperware container and used it.. bet that would work for poop too if you really needed it. It was the box that I usually keep all the planes papers in etc.

I did have to use the traveljohn once while flying under the hood working on my IFR rating w/ the young male CFI in the right seat. I thought he was going to have a cow when I told him that I needed to pee but since I had on shorts and it was easy to just pull one leg aside and use the traveljohn he didn't even know when I was finished and I flew right exactly over the VOR.

These stories are common ya'know it's just that well, folks don't normally discuss it.

Good luck
 
Skip Miller said:
Lactose intolerance is relatively common. Does cheese give the same symptoms? You can buy an O-T-C supplement like Lact-aid (or generic) which will permit you to eat dairy products without ill effect.
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I can eat other dairy products like cheese, yogurt and ice cream, without a problem. I can even drink some milk in my coffee or on cereal. I just can't drink multiple glasses of it like I did before. :sad:
 
My only advice is, ... If ya have to pee in a bottle with a narrow opening, .. DO NOT press your junk against said opening. ALLOW FOR AN AIR GAP! That's all I have to say about that! :cryin:
 
Jeanie said:
once a long time ago before I had a traveljohn I sat on top of a rectangular tupperware container and used it.. bet that would work for poop too if you really needed it.
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As a truck driver, I learned to always carry a used plastic "bucket" of some kind (the Country Crock side dish ones work quite well and seal very tightly) for those times where I had to go NOW and couldn't make it to the next truck stop (or even run inside from my parking space). Paper towel helps too.

However, I can't imagine this being successful in an airplane, unless you had an autopilot or another pilot to do the flying. If it's really that big of a phobia, the Depends are probably the way to go.
 
PittsDriver said:
The one's I keep are the standard issue from Sporty's that are pretty easy to use and seal. They turn the liquid to a jell to keep it less of a spillage risk.
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That would be the Travel John... very small, easy to use,no spillage.
I've used one in flight. Like everyone else, it seems, I had an intense, sudden need to "go" at a very inconvenient time... I doubted my ability to make use of it without undoing my seat belt, but it was not a problem. tossed it in the back seat when I was done, no problem. Those things are excellent.

If you have a pax sitting next to you, they could just avert their eyes if they want- a little embarrassing to have to pee in a pouch while flying, but peeing all over yourself or crashing because your bladder was torturing you would be really embarrassing.

As for "#2"... you need to consider what you've eaten several hours before... I've never had a problem with that, but I imagine it would be a serious concern in flight.
 
tcr1016 said:
...Milk is very hard to digest, so as most get older, it upsets the stomach. My father now eats pizza without cheese as I have always had to. And you know how many free pizzas I have gotten, since most screw it up putting on cheese and do not recognize my allergy. On a couple occasions, some even thought I was joking and laughed. Needless to say, I got written apologies from the companies. A little overboard, but any milk and I get to go to the hospital and stay overnight and an IV with benedril.
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Someone here sends the big bags of non-dairy cheese substitute to the local pizzeria for the order.
 
tcr1016 said:
I am allergic to milk, so no cheese or milk or anything dairy. Hell I was only breast fed twice.
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OK, I apologize to all if this gets a bit gross around the edges. But I think the OP's post is likely caused by lactose intolerance.

This is actually quite common. Lactose, a primary ingredient of dairy products, is not digestible without the enzyme lactase. We humans are born with the ability to produce lactase, as our primary food for the first 9 to 12 months is lactose-laden milk. With the naturally produced lactase, this is not a problem.

As we get older, our bodies produce less lactase. If we die before age 50 (as most of us did back in "Cave Man Days", well, there was no such thing as lactose intolerance. Now that we live well beyond that age, our bodies produce less and less lactase and sooner or later we have a problem.

Symptoms of lactose intolerance are explosive diarrhea. Most of it is gas, to the extent that if you could let loose in a crowded junior high school boys room, you would immediately be crowned King, or maybe even a God, for the thunderous noises emanating from your body. But (mostly) we have all grown beyond that form of scatological humor. And the solid effluvia, is usually spattered on the bowl.

Gross, but this is an unavoidable side effect of surviving to advanced middle age.

There are two ways to alleviate this problem.

First, you can avoid all milk and dairy products.

Second, you can take a lactase supplement such as Lact-aid or many of the generic substitutes. What you are looking for is a dose of 9000 units of Lactase taken immediately with or before eating the milk product.

I recommend that the OP try taking the Lact-aid before eating any dairy, each dose good for about 90 minutes. Also before every restaurant meal. (Even if you don't overtly eat dairy at the restaurant, they seem to sneak it in somehow.) Try this for a week and if you have no problem, then you have found the source of your problem and can deal with it in the cockpit.

Remember that your body is still producing lactase. So if you eat dairy only occasionally, you will be OK. It is like your body stores up the lactase you produce until needed. But if you eat too much lactose and go through your lactase supply, you run the risk of extreme bloating, pain, and then thundering relief.

So again to the OP, I think you have a manageable problem. Try out the Lactase supplements and I wish you the best.

-Skip
 
But (mostly) we have all grown beyond that form of scatological humor.
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I'm sorry Skip, but I have to throw down on that total and complete bit of misinformation (I'm being polite, I was going to say 'baloney'), right there.
 
Let'sgoflying! said:
I'm sorry Skip, but I have to throw down on that total and complete bit of misinformation (I'm being polite, I was going to say 'baloney'), right there.
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Well, I did say "mostly". If you feel different, bring your best over to the Friday is Joke Day thread and ... let 'em rip!

My sole purpose in the prior post is to help the OP.

-Skip
 
Skip Miller said:
Well, I did say "mostly". If you feel different, bring your best over to the Friday is Joke Day thread and ... let 'em rip!
My sole purpose in the prior post is to help the OP.
-Skip
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I failed to mention I thought your post was accurate and helpful. As usual I was seeing the humorous part of it!
 
Skip Miller said:
OK, I apologize to all if this gets a bit gross around the edges. But I think the OP's post is likely caused by lactose intolerance.

.snip........

Symptoms of lactose intolerance............snip...........

Gross, but this is an unavoidable side effect of surviving to advanced middle age.

-Skip
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What's kinda weird for me is that I can drink non fat milk all day long. I can have 'some' ice cream, cheese is OK. But I am finding that I can no longer drink hot mochas without my stomach getting cramped. Iced are no problem. And mocha shakes are now verbotten when I'm at work. They taste so danged good, but 15-20 minutes later, I'd better get to the little girls room, or else. :dunno: weird.
 
I've peed into the TravelJohns more than a few times, both in the air and on the ground. They should be required equipment for driving on the Cross-Bronx, LIE, or Staten Island Expressways. Very easy to use.

As for "No. 2," that need hasn't come up in flight, but it did once in the Bronx while I was driving. I'd recently had my gall bladder removed and hadn't yet mastered the dietary modifications needed to, um, normalize that function again.

It was quite a challenge, but a plastic bag from Target saved the day. As for the specifics... well, there was a gap of about eight inches between the two front seats in the SUV... you can just let your imagination take it from there.

-Rich
 
You obviously don't know that she posted the pictures on the internet.
SCCutler said:
General rule: You won't need to go bad until you're being vectored in a terminal area.

With lots of moisture rolling up the windshield.

Corollary: ATC is silent until you "have it out," and then they'll issue a re-route with readback required, to waypoints you don't know, and the turbulence will kick-up.

Do NOT ask me how I know.

Or, how ridiculous I looked (according to my wife).
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Skip Miller said:
tcr1016 said:
I am allergic to milk, so no cheese or milk or anything dairy. Hell I was only breast fed twice.
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OK, I apologize to all if this gets a bit gross around the edges. But I think the OP's post is likely caused by lactose intolerance.

(snip)

So again to the OP, I think you have a manageable problem. Try out the Lactase supplements and I wish you the best.
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Uh, Skip? Did you read the part of the post you quoted? The OP is allergic to dairy and doesn't eat it at all. So I don't think lactose intolerance is the problem, unless somebody is sneaking dairy products into something he's eating. :no:
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Uh, Skip? Did you read the part of the post you quoted? The OP is allergic to dairy and doesn't eat it at all. So I don't think lactose intolerance is the problem, unless somebody is sneaking dairy products into something he's eating. :no:
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Yeah, but ...
Skip Miller said:
(Even if you don't overtly eat dairy at the restaurant, they seem to sneak it in somehow.)
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This just gets better and better.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Uh, Skip? Did you read the part of the post you quoted? The OP is allergic to dairy and doesn't eat it at all. So I don't think lactose intolerance is the problem, unless somebody is sneaking dairy products into something he's eating. :no:
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I could be way out over my skis on this one.

I'm betting that "allergic" is not a proper diagnosis, in that his immune system is reacting to the dairy. And you will be surprised to see what they put dairy in... I was having frequent problems until I discovered that there are non-fat milk solids in fudge sticks. You really have to pay attention to labels if you have this (or any other dietary) problem. -Skip
 
Yes I have to read labels for milk, so I do not have to go to the hospital from the milk reaction. Throat closes up and flu like symptoms are not fun.

As for my question, I just picked up a camping toilet from Cabelas that I like better than the Porta Potty I have in my truck. I like the throw away bag rather than clean out the porta potty.

Now I just need to find an instructor and I see the Cessna 150 has a spacious rear area for my camping toilet. But looks like a bit hard to get back there if needed.

Thanks for all the stories and help. I do not regret nor should anyone if they have a phobia. Makes us unique. And do not let it stop you, just adapt to accommodate your situation.
 
tcr1016, If I may ask how big are you? Hight weight? Not trying to be cute here but unless you are very very petite I just can't see you climbing over the seat of a 150 into the back to use a porta-potti to evacuate your bowels. I mean I think you would litterally have to be exceptionally petite and be a contortionist..
 
AdamZ said:
tcr1016, If I may ask how big are you? Hight weight? Not trying to be cute here but unless you are very very petite I just can't see you climbing over the seat of a 150 into the back to use a porta-potti to evacuate your bowels. I mean I think you would litterally have to be exceptionally petite and be a contortionist..
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Hell, you gotta be that just to get IN to a 150/2.
 
AdamZ said:
tcr1016, If I may ask how big are you? Hight weight? Not trying to be cute here but unless you are very very petite I just can't see you climbing over the seat of a 150 into the back to use a porta-potti to evacuate your bowels. I mean I think you would litterally have to be exceptionally petite and be a contortionist..
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Naw, just have the instructor fly a zero-g arc. This is a 150/150 we're typing 'bout, right?
 
Flying with my son in my RV down the CA central valley at 9,500' enroute to the Chino Airshow that two minute drill hit me. I knew I was in trouble right off. Bakersfield was right below me so I hit nearest on my gps for frequencies. I started with approach to let them know we were coming in fast from right overhead. With power back, prop to fine pitch, full flap we were falling from the sky like a Bonanza full of doctors. (love that line, it was used by a doctor on Beech Talk). My son slept thru it all. I hit the ramp at the FBO at around 30 knots killing the radio master and yanking the mixture. Coasting right up to the steps of the FBO I was climbing out before the plane fully stopped. My kid woke up and asked where everybody was thinking we were at Chino. But I made it. :cheerswine:.

My father in law had a female physician mess her drawers on a Flying Doctors trip to Mexico. He had three doctors in his plane and they were stuck for quite a while before landing.

What are you going to do though? Live your life and don't waste it over the fear of going to the toilet.
 
AdamZ said:
tcr1016, If I may ask how big are you? Hight weight? Not trying to be cute here but unless you are very very petite I just can't see you climbing over the seat of a 150 into the back to use a porta-potti to evacuate your bowels. I mean I think you would litterally have to be exceptionally petite and be a contortionist..
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Not only that, but... Whaddaya do if you're solo? I've never seen an airplane where the pilot's seat is a potty...

So, I've gotta go back to the "Depends" recommendation.
 
When I flew to Phoenix and back in the A36 the leg from Glendale to Terre Haute, IN was 8 hours.

No peeing required.

Simply did not drink an hour before flight. Climb high enough and you'll stay dry.

:dunno:
 
I suspect that is one has to worry about spurting spent fuel rods or more liquified derivatives on a short flight, one probably shouldn't be flying a small aircraft. Sorry to be negative and/or judgmental, but one does have to be fairly healthy to pilot an airplane. Moreover, such activities can be very distracting, and distractions can quickly and easily lead to disaster in light aircraft.
 
A few years ago with an instrument student who has become one of my best friends, after shooting approaches at couple of other airports and are on our way back home, he tells me he REALLY has to pee and asks to skip the last approach. Of course I tell him heck no. What's the matter with you, do you think you only have to pee when its VMC ? You have to learn how to shoot an approach when you are distracted and under duress. As a matter of fact, ATC just told us their radar is out so we need to do the full procedure and weather is hovering right at minimums so there is a good chance that we will have to go missed. I'm trying to provide the most realistic training I can.

After letting him squirm and complain for a minute or two, I laugh and tell him to take the hood off and call the tower, we are ten miles out for landing.

We still laugh about that day:wink2:
 
dmccormack said:
When I flew to Phoenix and back in the A36 the leg from Glendale to Terre Haute, IN was 8 hours.

No peeing required.

Simply did not drink an hour before flight. Climb high enough and you'll stay dry.

:dunno:
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yea, literally, as in dehydrated dry.
 
Let'sgoflying! said:
you haven't lived til you had to pee, in a reclining chair, ifr, without a/p,.... in moderate, and rain pounding the airplane! Yeehaw!
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Oh yeah? Add, at night, with intermittent voltage leading to total electrical failure. That will get you close....
 
tcr1016 said:
Now I just need to find an instructor and I see the Cessna 150 has a spacious rear area for my camping toilet. But looks like a bit hard to get back there if needed.

Thanks for all the stories and help. I do not regret nor should anyone if they have a phobia. Makes us unique. And do not let it stop you, just adapt to accommodate your situation.
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The reality is there is no way to poop and fly at the same time. Period. Aside from space logistics and weight & balance issues, there is no way you can excuse yourself to a toilet. Your only real option is an adult diaper.

Perhaps the toilet is a safety blanket to make you feel better. You may want to consider looking into behavioral specialists that successfully treat phobias that become life limiting. Not being able to go anywhere without a toilet may qualify as life limiting. Additionally, you may find it very difficult to find an instructor willing to fly with you and a toilet.

...or this could all be one big joke, 35 days early.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Not only that, but... Whaddaya do if you're solo? I've never seen an airplane where the pilot's seat is a potty...

So, I've gotta go back to the "Depends" recommendation.
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rpadula said:
Perhaps we need to add that to the "STCs I'd like to see" thread???
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The guy who thought he invented a toilet seat for trucks shot up and killed 4 people in his patent lawyer's office in Chicago because he refused to believe it wasn't an original idea and thought they had stolen the idea.
 
Richard said:
Oh yeah? Add, at night, with intermittent voltage leading to total electrical failure. That will get you close....
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Try at night, on the boom of a KC-10 in the middle of a thunderstorm right smack in the MIDDLE of the Atlantic. BTDT, and it wasn't fun. Using a piddle pack while actually attached to the boom is an acquired skill!

Brad Z said:
The reality is there is no way to poop and fly at the same time. Period.
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I beg to differ sir, I have a friend that pulled it off using a helmet bag on a pond crossing. A little more room in the Eagle than most GA airplanes, but he did have to get out of an anti-exposure suit first (plus boots, g-suit & harness) so I'd call it even.
 
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