Penn State Suing NCAA Over Sex Scandal Sanctions

[dell30rb]

This is why I wanted the sports department shut down.

That's a short-sighted statement

The football program is a very small part of a university's sports program. What about the other college athletes? Swimmers, tennis players, soccer players, golfers, baseball, crew, volleyball, sailing teams. These guys work hard for little recognition. You think they were in on the Sandusky cover up? These guys are also affected by the fine as they get funding for scholarships and equipment from football revenue.

 

[N801BH]

That's a short-sighted statement

The football program is a very small part of a university's sports program. What about the other college athletes? Swimmers, tennis players, soccer players, golfers, baseball, crew, volleyball, sailing teams. These guys work hard for little recognition. You think they were in on the Sandusky cover up? These guys are also affected by the fine as they get funding for scholarships and equipment from football revenue.

Sometimes life is just not fair.......

get over it...

 

[wabower]

Geico is just plssed because PSU recruited some of the Elizabeth, New Jersey players that he thought should have become Huskers.

That's a short-sighted statement

The football program is a very small part of a university's sports program. What about the other college athletes? Swimmers, tennis players, soccer players, golfers, baseball, crew, volleyball, sailing teams. These guys work hard for little recognition. You think they were in on the Sandusky cover up? These guys are also affected by the fine as they get funding for scholarships and equipment from football revenue.

 

[JeffDG]

In what has got to be the dumbest I can remember Penn State (after willingly accepting all of the NCAA sanctions) is now suing the NCAA because the sanctions are too tough.

Well, to pick a nit, it's not Penn State the school, but the State of Pennsylvania, the member of the Union, that's suing.

 

[Geico266]

That's a short-sighted statement

The football program is a very small part of a university's sports program. What about the other college athletes? Swimmers, tennis players, soccer players, golfers, baseball, crew, volleyball, sailing teams. These guys work hard for little recognition. You think they were in on the Sandusky cover up? These guys are also affected by the fine as they get funding for scholarships and equipment from football revenue.

Seriously?

The AD was involved up to his ears in protecting the football team because of money. He chose money over kids. The other athletes benefited from organized paedophilia.

 

[Geico266]

Well, to pick a nit, it's not Penn State the school, but the State of Pennsylvania, the member of the Union, that's suing.

The nit was picked several posts ago. . But since the Gov sits on the PS board of directors (we think) it all an incestuous mess.

The question is, not guilt or innocence, not the severity or lack of penalties, it is rehashing the whole painful ordeal for the victims again. No one else gets that? How many more years must these kids suffer? 10 more years of litigation because the governor caved to pressure to try and get the sanctions lifted.

Shame on Penn State. Shame on PA.

Very typical of our narcissistic society. It's all about me.

 

[JGoodish]

The nit was picked several posts ago. . But since the Gov sits on the PS board of directors (we think) it all an incestuous mess.

The question is, not guilt or innocence, not the severity or lack of penalties, it is rehashing the whole painful ordeal for the victims again. No one else gets that? How many more years must these kids suffer? 10 more years of litigation because the governor caved to pressure to try and get the sanctions lifted.

Shame on Penn State. Shame on PA.

That's utter nonsense. So it's okay to have arbitrary verdicts which may or may not represent complete and objective justice, as long as we "close the book" quickly so that the victims don't have to suffer? Guess what, the victims are no longer suffering at the hands of Sandusky because he's in jail. Yes, they may suffer with their memories, but no amount of expediting is going to change those memories. If there is any potential further suffering for the victims, it is from the absence of justice for others who are guilty; in this case, the administration. Trials for the former Athletic Director and VP are still pending, but the guy who ultimately oversaw the abuse (the former president) is still mostly free (his recent request to leave the country on "business" was denied).

It is my understanding that the NCAA did not follow due process when they levied the fine, in large part because Penn State itself "negotiated" to avoid the due process and just accept whatever fine was levied. What vote did Pennsylvania taxpayers (who are stuck with the bill) have in that deal? None. The governor objected to it at the time, and is now following through in order to protect the taxpayer. As a PA resident and taxpayer, I have ZERO responsibility for the criminal acts of Sandusky nor the other administrators at Penn State, and I shouldn't have to pay for their criminal behavior. I do, however, expect them ALL to be held accountable through a careful and objective examination of the evidence, however long that process make take.

It does the victims no justice at all to let criminals skate because some folks are in a big hurry to tidy up the store and get everyone's eyes away from the evidence of guilt.


JKG

 

[Geico266]

That's utter nonsense. So it's okay to have arbitrary verdicts which may or may not represent complete and objective justice, as long as we "close the book" quickly so that the victims don't have to suffer? Guess what, the victims are no longer suffering at the hands of Sandusky because he's in jail. Yes, they may suffer with their memories, but no amount of expediting is going to change those memories. If there is any potential further suffering for the victims, it is from the absence of justice for others who are guilty; in this case, the administration. Trials for the former Athletic Director and VP are still pending, but the guy who ultimately oversaw the abuse (the former president) is still mostly free (his recent request to leave the country on "business" was denied).

It is my understanding that the NCAA did not follow due process when they levied the fine, in large part because Penn State itself "negotiated" to avoid the due process and just accept whatever fine was levied. What vote did Pennsylvania taxpayers (who are stuck with the bill) have in that deal? None. The governor objected to it at the time, and is now following through in order to protect the taxpayer. As a PA resident and taxpayer, I have ZERO responsibility for the criminal acts of Sandusky nor the other administrators at Penn State, and I shouldn't have to pay for their criminal behavior. I do, however, expect them ALL to be held accountable through a careful and objective examination of the evidence, however long that process make take.

It does the victims no justice at all to let criminals skate because some folks are in a big hurry to tidy up the store and get everyone's eyes away from the evidence of guilt.


JKG

I agree. Do you really think I don't want justice?

Filing a law suit by the governor of the state because he thinks the penalties are too harsh is the subject, not letting criminals walk.

 

[alaskaflyer]

I'm not so sure the "taxpayers" are stuck with any bill. Don't NCAA fines by their very nature come out of Athletic Department funding?

I find this lawsuit incredibly cynical. The NCAA is an association to which they voluntarily belong, not a government agency, and the university negotiated a settlement, they weren't stuck with a legal judgement (not in this venue at least.)

To set up a strawman comparison if Proctor and Gamble were to negotiate a settlement with the US Chamber of Commerce over some egregious violation of club rules, and the shareholders wanted to sue over butthurt, whom should they sue? The Chamber? Naw.

Political butthurt. Of course they have to sue on antitrust grounds, anything else would be laughed out of court.

 

[JGoodish]

I agree. Do you really think I don't want justice?

Filing a law suit by the governor of the state because he thinks the penalties are too harsh is the subject, not letting criminals walk.

Well, you asked, "How many more years must these kids suffer?" You also objected to "rehash[ing] the whole painful ordeal for the victims again." Those desires are contrary to the administration of justice, especially in a case where trials have just begun, and where plenty of evidence has been left on the table.

You also seem less concerned about justice for PA taxpayers, Penn State alumni, and students, who had absolutely nothing to do with the scandal, but are stuck with the massive fine not out of due process, but by Penn State's negotiation with the NCAA to abdicate due process in favor of a report of "evidence" commissioned by the Penn State administration.

Add to that the numerous civil suits filed and in process by the victims, and it would seem that the victims perhaps have a different expectation of justice (and timelines) than you do.

Again, the governor of PA objected to the fine when it was levied, and is taking the requisite action to defend the millions of PA taxpayers who had nothing to do with the scandal, but who are on the hook to pay for a grossly arbitrary and unjustified fine.


JKG

 

[alaskaflyer]

Again, the governor of PA objected to the fine when it was levied, and is taking the requisite action to defend the millions of PA taxpayers who had nothing to do with the scandal, but who are on the hook to pay for a grossly arbitrary and unjustified fine.


JKG

Then the Governor should sue the officials in the university system who negotiated the settlement, or the university system itself.

 

[JGoodish]

I'm not so sure the "taxpayers" are stuck with any bill. Don't NCAA fines by their very nature come out of Athletic Department funding?

I find this lawsuit incredibly cynical. The NCAA is an association to which they voluntarily belong, not a government agency, and the university negotiated a settlement, they weren't stuck with a legal judgement (not in this venue at least.)

To set up a strawman comparison if Proctor and Gamble were to negotiate a settlement with the US Chamber of Commerce over some egregious violation of club rules, and the shareholders wanted to sue over butthurt, whom should they sue? The Chamber? Naw.

Political butthurt. Of course they have to sue on antitrust grounds, anything else would be laughed out of court.

Your straw man comparison is flawed for a number of reasons. A key problem in this case is that the NCAA is integral to participation and success in collegiate sports, recruiting, and revenue. Yes, Penn State could have withdrawn from the NCAA (or allowed themselves to be expelled), but likely at a severe impact to the entire community, not just the university athletic program. By contrast, the US Chamber of Commerce is but an advocacy group, and corporate membership has no impact on consumers, revenue, nor solvency of the organization or the community in which it operates. Accountability would likely have been swift and extensive if Penn State had been a private company, as opposed to a quasi-government entity with what some view as a bottomless "well" of money and little outside regulation. Ironically, they succeeded in convincing the NCAA to dump due process investigation of the university in exchange for an unprecedented fine, to be paid by...

Well, that was TBD. The NCAA stipulated that Penn State COULD NOT pull money from other athletic or academic programs at the university to pay the fine. While the governor demanded an assurance that taxpayer funding would not be used (directly or indirectly), I don't recall that such an assurance was ever formalized. Given the size of the fine ($12MM/year), it is still unknown as to how the university plans to pay for it, and in any case, little documentation is available to the public on the source of the funds. The bottom line is that if the university wants to play football in the NCAA, the money has to come from somewhere.

As I've repeatedly stated, the big problem is that the NCAA did not follow due process in judgment of penalties nor administration of the fine. One way or another, it's hard to see how Penn State students, alumni, and taxpayers, won't get stuck funding it. The NCAA, although integral to collegiate sports, is unable to successfully justify the fine. Where is the justice in that?



JKG

 

[JGoodish]

Then the Governor should sue the officials in the university system who negotiated the settlement, or the university system itself.

Why? The university officials didn't violate the NCAA rules and due process, the NCAA violated their own rules. If the NCAA is going to work as a facilitator and arbiter for collegiate athletics, and have the power to inflict substantial harm on its members, then it shouldn't be acceptable for them to arbitrarily suspend or bend the rules for anyone.

For folks so concerned about the "victims," I'm amazed that you guys are attacking the guy who a) began the investigation and successfully prosecuted Sandusky, and b) is suing because the NCAA failed to do their own investigation into the scandal, and the participants in it, before handing down a judgment based on a report commissioned perhaps by some of those involved in the scandal.



JKG