Part 141 lesson order

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  1. Sebastian

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    Hey guys, I’m wondering if it is legal to do one or two flight lessons for a part 141 ppl course out of order? The syllabus specifies each flight and what should be done, but could I do say flight 1,2,3,4,6,5,7? Of course all lessons will still be completed, but does the faa mandate that they be done in exact order? If so, can you provide the FAR or faa document where I can read about it. Thanks!
     
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    What would you ultimately be accomplishing by doing this?

    In a Part 141 curriculum, you may only move on to the next lesson after you've finished the current one, and you can't complete any lessons out of order.
     
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    It would be for say completing a dual lesson before an unrelated solo when the syllabus says solo first if the instructor has limited availability and you might not get to fly for awhile if you don’t do the dual when he’s available. Just a thought I had, thanks!
     
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    Read Part 141 at www.faa.gov. Very dry reading and it may put you to sleep, but it is the regulation that the school must follow.
     
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    Generally the Chief Instructor can give permission to do lessons out of order as long as they are in the same stage.

    Each syllabus will have several pages at the beginning that explains exactly what is required to complete the syllabus. The school I taught at had the following sentence in every approved syllabus:

    “Within each stage, lesson sequences may be adjusted as necessary to facilitate training continuity. This is permitted as long as training objectives are not compromised.”
     
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    QUOTE="Ryanb, post: 2787588, member: 7725"]What would you ultimately be accomplishing by doing this?

    In a Part 141 curriculum, you may only move on to the next lesson after you've finished the current one, and you can't complete any lessons out of order.[/QUOTE]

    Generally, the Chief Flight Instructor may issue a written approval for specific order changes. An example of when this might be beneficial is weather related. It is spring and normally vert turbulent. A smooth low wind day presents for short and soft field TO and LND. Night lessons can be delayed to allow DST to end.
     
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    The key word is ‘may’. All depends on the specific flight school and their policies.
     
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    Rather sure the statement prefaced with “Generally” covered that.
     
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    I hope that isn't true. When I worked in a 141 school I'd have starved (ok, starved more) of that were the case. If the syllabus called for stalls, but the ceiling was 1200 feet, I'd teach ground reference maneuvers. Or, I'd do instrument training in the GAT sim. Just because there's a syllabus doesn't mean it should be cast in concrete. There's plenty for a newcomer to learn without violating the tenets laid out in the Instructor's Handbook about "building blocks" of instruction.
     
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    As I said, it depends on the school.
     
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    Actually before being corrected you said:
     
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    And? I didn’t claim to speak for every school and program out there.
     
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    Ok, I missed the part where you qualified that answer to relating to the 141 curriculum that you have experience with. Your statement read like it was true of all 141 curricula.
     
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    I scoured a 141 before I began flight training and didn’t like how structured and regimented it was, so I ultimately went with a local 61 school due to their flexibility in the training syllabus. Pro’s and Con’s to each, however.