PA-32 Down South of Houston

This one hits close to home for me. I did not know the owner, but I have taken a ride in this plane with my CFI earlier in the year. I saw this on the news and when I saw the partial tail # "5PK" and the paint scheme I was shocked.

Prayers for this family.
 
I was flying in that area at the same time out of Pearland weather was no issue a few at 2000...unlimited ceiling and vis
 
DesertNomad said:
The article says "no signs of impact"?!
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You should watch the video and listen to what the idiots say. The "no signs of impact" was far from the only idiocy that was spewed. The anchor was questioning why the airplane did not have a parachute and the on scene reporter said that he was told that a lot of these older aircraft do not have a black box. Wow.
 
Sorry for the pilot and his passenger. May they RIP. :sad:


BigBadLou said:
And you really trust retarded monkeys that call themselves "journalists"?? [...]
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Such bad reporting, on a relatively simple topic like an airplane crash, always makes me wonder what crap they feed us when is comes to really complex stuff, for example related to politics, economic or science. And it's not like the aviation 'experts' on the big news stations like CNN would be any better... :mad:
 
Now that the press has been sufficiently bashed (no fan here, but thought the live reporting was as good as we can expect) does anyone have any info as to what the heck happened?

"No fire" certainly leads to the easy to jump to conclusion of fuel exhaustion and the wreckage all in one neat pile seems to follow the stall spin behavior. Anyone have any actual facts or know these poor guys?
 
Jouranlists have problems reporting accurately because you cowboys:

1. All fly planes without black boxes
2. Fail to have a parachute (give them a year to figure out difference between BRS and personal)
3. Never file a flight plan
4. "Stall" to often ... so you all need better engines
5. Always, always crash flying Cessnas

:lol::lol::goofy::rofl::mad2:
 
German guy said:
Sorry for the pilot and his passenger. May they RIP. :sad:




Such bad reporting, on a relatively simple topic like an airplane crash, always makes me wonder what crap they feed us when is comes to really complex stuff, for example related to politics, economic or science. And it's not like the aviation 'experts' on the big news stations like CNN would be any better... :mad:
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Try hydraulic fracturing for one topical example. I can't count how many times I read it described as a drilling technique. It is not. There is no drilling rig even present when a well is fractured. But what the heck they have a deadline to meet. Unless someone tries to dig deeper, they will get the impression from the MSM that fracturing is a process akin to underground nuke testing. :no: :D

The reporting on anything real (read: not politics) and especially technical (except iOS - they are cracker jack on that one!) by the mass market media is atrocious outside of industry-related journals.
 
Blatham489 said:
Now that the press has been sufficiently bashed (no fan here, but thought the live reporting was as good as we can expect) does anyone have any info as to what the heck happened?

"No fire" certainly leads to the easy to jump to conclusion of fuel exhaustion and the wreckage all in one neat pile seems to follow the stall spin behavior. Anyone have any actual facts or know these poor guys?
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With no corroborating data, it would be an iffy assumption on a PA-32, the tanks are strong and reasonably malleable.
 
petrolero said:
Try hydraulic fracturing for one topical example. I can't count how many times I read it described as a drilling technique. It is not. There is no drilling rig even present when a well is fractured. But what the heck they have a deadline to meet. Unless someone tries to dig deeper, they will get the impression from the MSM that fracturing is a process akin to underground nuke testing. :no: :D

The reporting on anything real (read: not politics) and especially technical (except iOS - they are cracker jack on that one!) by the mass market media is atrocious outside of industry-related journals.
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Actually, frac'ing ins more akin to nuclear testing than to drilling...
 
Henning said:
Sure, you're expanding the local area with pressure and fracturing the surrounding strata. The atomic bomb just does it at a different scale using a different medium is all.
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:rolleyes2::rolleyes2::rolleyes2:
 
danhagan said:
Jouranlists have problems reporting accurately because you cowboys:

1. All fly planes without black boxes
2. Fail to have a parachute (give them a year to figure out difference between BRS and personal)
3. Never file a flight plan
4. "Stall" to often ... so you all need better engines
5. Always, always crash flying Cessnas

:lol::lol::goofy::rofl::mad2:
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I only fly Piper Mooneys when I crash.

Edit: Before I crash.
 
petrolero said:
No it isn't.
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actually, a nuclear device was used to drill and frac - see project gas buggy

There is still a large glass-lined vault with fractured walls and slight radioactivity out by Rifle...
 
Henning said:
Sure, you're expanding the local area with pressure and fracturing the surrounding strata. The atomic bomb just does it at a different scale using a different medium is all.
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they made a lot of broken glass in a large cavern when they did it for real...
 
Aircooled said:
This one hits close to home for me. I did not know the owner, but I have taken a ride in this plane with my CFI earlier in the year. I saw this on the news and when I saw the partial tail # "5PK" and the paint scheme I was shocked.

Prayers for this family.
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So what is the full tail #?
 
My wife and I flew into Brazoria County Tuesday afternoon, blissfully unaware of this accident. :(

*sigh* This year it's gotten to the point where Mary doesn't want to read the papers or aviation forums.
 
So, Jay touched upon one bit of interesting trivia, that the left seater was a former plant-worker who was injured in the BP Texas City refinery explosion in 2005. He lived in near by Santa Fe, Texas and owned and operated an archery store, and was friends with the best man from my first wedding. I did not know him personally.

The other "passenger" was a retired State Trooper who used to moonlight as a CFI at the same flight school that I used to moonlight at, back in the early 2000's. It is not mentioned in the lay media but I have no reason to believe this wasn't an instructional flight. It was a CAVU kind of day, at least early on... Local TV media shows the aircraft taxiing on the ramp at Pearland Regional earlier in the day before the crash. (KLVJ).
 
Doggtyred said:
So, Jay touched upon one bit of interesting trivia, that the left seater was a former plant-worker who was injured in the BP Texas City refinery explosion in 2005. He lived in near by Santa Fe, Texas and owned and operated an archery store, and was friends with the best man from my first wedding. I did not know him personally.

The other "passenger" was a retired State Trooper who used to moonlight as a CFI at the same flight school that I used to moonlight at, back in the early 2000's. It is not mentioned in the lay media but I have no reason to believe this wasn't an instructional flight. It was a CAVU kind of day, at least early on... Local TV media shows the aircraft taxiing on the ramp at Pearland Regional earlier in the day before the crash. (KLVJ).
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This is a weird one.

Perfect weather. No witnesses. No fire. A high energy impact. Two experienced pilots.

WTH happened?
 
Jay Honeck said:
This is a weird one.

Perfect weather. No witnesses. No fire. A high energy impact. Two experienced pilots.

WTH happened?
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It could have been next to anything. Look at AF-447, minor inconsequential glitch lead three pilots to fly a plane into the ocean, one they could have saved all the way down by just lowering the nose and letting the plane fly. What is unaccounted for in most all of these accidents is the pilot's reaction to life critical situations. You either hyper accelerate your thoughts and actions, or you disconnect and watch it happen like you're watching a movie. Only rarely do we get a glimpse of the second reaction like we did on AF-447 "This is really happening, isn't it?" going through 12,000', because they usually don't survive. Like the NTSB guy said at my gear up, "It's so nice to actually hear about an accident first hand, usually the people aren't talking anymore."
 
N801BH said:
Stall training gone bad..:dunno:.......:sad:
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Practice/demonstrate slow flight, pick up the slipping wing with the aileron and be right in a spin, 2 pilots disconnect and watch the show, until the show ends....

Either way, if you die, you die pretty much calm and kind of amused.
 
Are we really making up scenarios based on absolutely nothing now?

Cool I think it was UFOs. :thumbsup:
 
petrolero said:
Are we really making up scenarios based on absolutely nothing now?

Cool I think it was UFOs. :thumbsup:
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Sure, that's what happens when there is no information, people speculate.

They could have flown through concentrated chemtrail juice.
 
I saw your post earlier that it could have been almost anything and I agree with that.

Speculation works best when it's interpolative or there's at least something to go on. There's not much so far to constrain the scenarios in this one.
 
petrolero said:
I saw your post earlier that it could have been almost anything and I agree with that.

Speculation works best when it's interpolative or there's at least something to go on. There's not much so far to constrain the scenarios in this one.
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The introduction of the possibility/probability that this was an instructional flight opened up the very scenario potential I gave, just to show how small and simple of a thing can lead to this result. I wasn't trying to imply exactly that occurred here, although, it may be exactly that if they were doing a Flight Review.
 
Clark1961 said:
actually, a nuclear device was used to drill and frac - see project gas buggy

There is still a large glass-lined vault with fractured walls and slight radioactivity out by Rifle...
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Yes I'm familiar with Operation Gasbuggy and the other two - Rulison and Rio Blanco. That's what was running through my mind when I made my hyperbolic point about the media's ineptitude in describing HF.

Why do you think that is materially similar to hydraulic fracturing - Henning's silliness aside?
 
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