Osh 2019 camping first time

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  1. crash7

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    Noob question(s):
    I've been to Oshkosh a couple times, but this year will be the first flying in and camping for a few days. Planning on Sunday morning. My plane is old enough that Vintage camping is a technical option if GAC is full. Looking over the maps, it looks like most of the amenities (showers, etc) are geared for the N40. I didn't see any showers around Vintage or the South 40. Do people there just hike for a shower? Looks like the South 40 is a loooooong way from anything.

    I'm shooting for the N40, but want to have a plan Q in place. Thanks!

    Less than a month!
     
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    Ignore the map -- there are facilities for both Vintage and South 40. They bring in shower trailers which aren't bad at all.
     
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    Yeah, I wouldn't blow off the vintage for that. If you want off the reservation for dinner or something it is a consideration, there are some eateries within walking distance of the field, but they're far more easily accessed from the North 40.
     
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    I've camped in both. I won't camp in vintage again. In the N40, there are nice shower houses with real sinks, real toilets, power outlets, benches, etc. It's actually pretty nice.

    Vintage camping is much more, uh, primative. Showers are in trailers, some of which get pretty gnarly after a few days, the water pressure isn't great. Depending on where you are in vintage, you're using outdoor plastic sinks with minimal water pressure and porta potties. Electrical outlets are sparse for charging. Certain areas in vintage have nicer shower trailers, but they still don't compare to the facilities in the N40.
     
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    If you get in on Sunday, Vintage will likely be your only option.
     
  6. crash7

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    Ugh. We're hoping to hit the arrival around 8am Sunday. N40 fills up on Saturday that quick? Weather accommodating...
     
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    I think its up to chance and the weather. If there's nice weather Saturday, there's a good chance of ground saturation by that evening. Particularly if the weather Sunday looks iffy. But honestly, with Vintage, you are in great shape because you wont be turned away completely.
     
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    Weather is always the main factor on how and when things fill up. Early on Sunday gives you a decent chance of being in the N40 but you will most likely be on the North side of the runway which is fine, but you will spend time walking or on the bus to get to the south side of the N40 where most facilities are. Personally I considered Vintage but the facilities seem more spread out and there were less of them (ie: lines), so I stick with the N40. All that said... last year the N40 was pretty sloppy so when we snuck in (the wx was nuts) on Saturday, they sent us to the S40. People were not happy, including me. Some folks didn't even setup camp and waited until the N40 opened and then they taxi'd all the way back up there. We stayed put and in the end.... it was just fine. Yes there were less facilities, yes it is a bit off the beaten path, but it was quiet, and really chill and laid back. We ended up spending a lot of time at the ultralight field watching the STOL and paramotors in the evening so it was nice being close. There are buses that run down there, and random other modes of transit. You are going to walk a lot no matter where you camp. In the end, the south side of the N40 is my first preference, then the S40. Honestly no matter where you end up.... you are still at the greatest aviation spectacle in all of the world. You don't go there for the bathrooms or the showers right?
     
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    A note on the above... the weather between OSH and the entire east half of the country was just atrocious last year. This, I believe, delayed many arrivals and caused the camping to fill up slower than normal. If the weekend weather is good, you might find it filling up quite a bit faster.
     
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    Been going for quite a few years and I've yet to see the N 40 fill up before Sunday. Yeah, you can be a ways out if you get in then. Then again, they have busses.
     
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    Does anyone have a handle on how fast General Aviation Parking fills up? Going to be flying in this year, but staying in Camp Scholler.
     
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    I was reading the Airventure Camping Guidelines and I found a few of them interesting.

    Only one tent per plane unless a second tent is needed for immediate family members. If additional tents are needed, they must fit within the footprint of the aircraft. I knew they didn't like two tents, but I didn't know the rule actually allowed them if needed!

    All aircraft must be tied down. “Dog leash” tiedowns are prohibited. For those of you who have asked what kind of tiedowns to bring... not these!

    In general, alcoholic beverage consumption is prohibited on airport property, except in officially designated areas or under specific permission given by authorized EAA staff. Got to remember my koozie!

     
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    Good thing it is ONLY "In general" and not a blanket statement. The authorized EAA staff must give a lot of specific permissions. I never knew pilots drank so much beer before I went to Oshkosh!
     
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    The alcohol thing is more geared towards the confines of the main show grounds and not the aircraft camping areas even though they are on airport property. Besides the myriad of parties throughout the camping areas, EAA sells beer in the camp stores. Shoot we even have a beer tasting event under the HBC pavilion Sunday afternoon before the show start on Monday.
     
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    I wanted to park in Vintage last year but by my Monday morning arrival, they were parking us in the S-40. I was a few rows from where the corn field started. As others said, it was a haul to anywhere. Porta pottys's and shower trailers, which by the way, were smoking hot by mid-day. This year I understand they are extending the trams etc, adding some other comforts for the S-40. This year I'll be flying in with the Cherokees 2 OSH mass arrival and camping in the N-40.

    Just find you a spot and hit the pavement.
     
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    I agree they don't enforce it, but if you look at the link I provided, that statement is under the "Campsites" heading.
     
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    I haven't heard this, but it would be welcome news for many. I know it was one of the biggest complaints I got from people. The trams only run on pavement though, so maybe they extended the road.
     
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    I know it’s there— that was my point and why I mentioned they sell beer in the camp stores.
     
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    Gotcha. I just think it's one of those rules they can use if you're too far out of line. I mean, if Patty can get arrested...
     
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    Tons of sites with two or more tents, and some with HUGE single tents. Never seen any problems.
    Google "the Claw" or "flyties" lots of other options too. EAA will also rent/sell you some when you park.
     
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    I bought a set from EAA a few years ago and just kept them. They get the job done. Maybe $25 on site to buy them.
     
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    I know they have increased the S-40 but I might be wrong about the addition of trams, store etc. From the NOTAM

    Finally, the second phase of expanding the South 40 has added 17 acres of aircraft parking/camping land to allow more aircraft to be accommodated at AirVenture.
    https://www.eaa.org/en/airventure/e...rrival-Procedures-Enacted-for-AirVenture-2019
     
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    Do they ever run out?
     
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    After last year, I'm betting on the N40 filling up on Saturday. The obvious solution to the traffic jam is to come a day early.
     
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    Yep. I hope that doesn't come to pass. It would be annoying if I had to start taking friday off to beat the crowd.
     
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    Now I’m second guessing camping in Vintage. I think I’ll still stick with that plan for my first time, I may try the N40 next year.

    Planning on arriving early on Saturday.
     
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    I plan to camp in Vintage, and arrive on Sunday. I’ve arrived on Saturday and Sunday and found plenty of parking.
     
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    Not that I know of. I see the guys sitting in the tie-down shacking making new kits all week. I'm guessing by now they've got a pretty good handle on how many they need.
     
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    What’s included? I’m planning to bring my own, but just in case...

    Are they the 3-spike style?
     
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    They've expanded the South 40 GA parking this year. The goal is by next year to not turn away any aircraft (homebuilt, Vintage, or GA). As poitned out, there's nothing wrong with Vintage. We don't have the new shower/toilet building that GA got a few years ago but there are at least 2-3 shower trailers plus the old permanent shower building up by theatre in the woods. The Tall Pines Cafe is open for breakfast (and other meals prior to the food outlets getting going). We have food in the evening at Major Goolsbys (Vintage Cafe) and the Machine Shed (Hangar Cafe).

    BRING YOUR OWN TIE DOWNS. Getting a hold of a tie down can be problematic at times despite the guys in the shack.
     
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    A single angled stake and rope. They'll even install them for you (though they won't tie them to the plane). It's quite handy, really. And the money goes to some local EAA chapter.
     
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    Ahh, the circus tent approach. That's simple. I'm heading out pretty soon to make my own version of the Stormforce style.
     
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    3 18" bridge spikes and 5 links of proof chain that the spikes can fit through (one link for each spike and two links for rope to the tiedown ring.

    Jim
     
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    If my schedule works out it looks like a Tue AM arrival. What are the chances of GAC having openings?