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Slick has issued Service Bulletin 1-24A.

It addresses insufficient lubrication of the Contact Breaker Cam.

The resulting wear alters the E-gap and results in a spark that progressively

weakens and retards.

Check it out. Particularly when buying new mags.
 
Slick has issued Service Bulletin 1-24A.

It addresses insufficient lubrication of the Contact Breaker Cam.

The resulting wear alters the E-gap and results in a spark that progressively

weakens and retards.

Check it out. Particularly when buying new mags.
I just sent both of my old Slick magnetos in for service. One was OK and the other did not pass inspection. I was planning to replace the bad mag with the new Electroair electronic ignition system but the cost just kept climbing. Should I just buy a new Slick mag or continue down the EIS route? Appreciate your thought. The airplance is a C-182P and the engine is a O-470-R with a new top end overhaul for $31,000 by Michigan Aviation.
 
Just what is wrong with failed mag?

My experience includes very little EIS stuff.

I’ve never met a Slick LASAR even though they have been around a long

time. Folks generally report good things about the new systems but

that’s not 100%. A lot of aviation products seemed great only to

disappear later. My presumption is it will be all EIS someday.

Which? When?

Most mag issues seem to operating hours and calendar year related.

Maybe go with a mag that had a “500 hr” and things may have shaken

out when it’s due again. Advantage is no mods needed now.

Hope others chime in.
 
I looked into the SureFly ignitions a few years ago even though I didn't get one. What I learned: They run to TBO without needing inspection. That saves you at least $2000 over the life of the engine (assuming it lasts that long). If you only replace one magneto, it is often the one with the impulse coupling. This takes advantage of the electronic timing retard to improve starting and eliminates any worry about IC failures (since you don't have one anymore). But you don't get timing advance unless you replace both units and, run 100 octane gas, normally aspirated, and can monitor CHT. However, there are still benefits to a static timed electronic ignition, such as easier starting, bigger spark, and lower maintenance costs.

Note: last year Vic Syracuse from EAA wrote about a helicopter he built that used a Lycoming engine with SureFly ignition. He experienced an engine failure in flight which turned out to be caused by the SureFly ignition failing due to the increased vibration of running in a helicopter (compared to an airplane). I've read of SureFly failures in airplanes too, including here at POA. Of course we've all also read about traditional magneto failures, so I don't mean to say SureFly is less reliable - only that they may be more sensitive to vibration.
 
New? It looks like the A version supersedure to 1-24 was released on 5/17/24.

MAGNETO MODELS AFFECTED: All Factory New 4300/6300 magneto models with serial numbers between 23030001 and 23100414.

I believe you need to create a free account to access Champion's service information. Once logged in this link should work.
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New is relative to me.

I refueled with pink , blue ( both), green and purple av-gas.

IMHO few people check out SB’s until they need them .

Or it’s too late.
 
This takes advantage of the electronic timing retard to improve starting and eliminates any worry about IC failures (since you don't have one anymore). But you don't get timing advance unless you replace both units and, run 100 octane gas, normally aspirated, and can monitor CHT. However, there are still benefits to a static timed electronic ignition, such as easier starting, bigger spark, and lower maintenance costs.
Minor correction, you can get advance timing if you connect the SureFly to manifold pressure, 2 SIM's are not required. Believe you drive a 172, so would need to install a fitting on a cylinder or intake tube to capture the manifold and set the unit for timing advance, should you ever decide to go that way.
 
Slick has had its quality control problems for a long time, even before Champion bought them up. I have wondered if they're hiring workers off the street instead of finding people with some technical skills. A lot of this sort of stuff could be avoided if they had inspectors check every mag before it gets closed up.

Cam grease. Too little can mean cam wear, too much and the stuff gets flung into the points and fouls them and the mag quits sparking. Bendix uses a metal cam and nylon cam follower on the points arm, and there's a felt pad held by a small bracket against the cam. A few dops of oil in that felt and the cam is lubricated for a long time and the points don't get fouled.

Some years ago Slick had serious cam wear problems that caused massive retardation in the timing and some mags just quit. In the factory, someone had spilled talcum powder into the bin of plastic pellets used to mold the cams, and that talc get into the plastic and contaminated and weakened it. They should have thrown that bunch of pellets out. I think the talc was used as a mold release, but it sure doesn't belong inside the plastic. Big SB there.

Another time they didn't make sure the high-voltage tab on the coil was perfectly level with the parting face of the mag body, and the little cylindrical carbon brush that takes the spark voltage from that tab to the spark finger on the distributor gear got worn all coke-bottle-shaped and they would fail and the distributor shaft would eat the tab. Sparks and burning distributor parts. No pre-close inspection, obviously. Another big SB.

They had points sets that burned out quickly due to loss of the silver contact faces, or maybe too little thickness to that silver. They had spark fingers coming loose in the distributor gears. They had the impulse stop pins in the mag flange falling out into the engine.

All of this sort of thing makes pilots or owners look sideways at the whole concept of magneto ignition. But these defects are all due to poor QC, not to the concept of magnetos in general. Magnetos have been powering gasoline engines for a very long time and have usually worked well if they were properly designed, assembled, and maintained. My mags on my old A-65 were original to that 1946 engine, and they still work. Mags are robust and able to take the heat and vibration of aircooled engines, while much more sensitive electronics can suffer from those factors, as we have seen with Surefly and E-mag.

A local friend collected antique farm tractors. Almost all of them were gas-powered, most with magneto ignition. He must have had 15 or 20 of these things before he auctioned off most of the collection last year. He called me a year and a half ago as he had trouble with one, no spark. The mag had failed internally. It was from the 1930s or 1940s, probably the original mag. I took it off and took it apart, found the coil was burned out. Well, 80 or 90 years will do that. It had a funny way of feeding the spark voltage from the coil to the distributor of the mag: an external lead ran from the coil to the distributor's center. Handy, since mags like that are scarce as hen's teeth. I got him to buy an automobile ignition coil with an internal ballast, from, let's say, a 1980s Ford. He came back with it and I connected the coil's + to the tractor's 12V system (which had been upgraded from the old 6V), the - went to the condenser terminal used to short the mag to off (and that terminal goes to the points, of course), and stuck the lead from the distributor into the coils HV outlet. Pulled off a sparkplug wire, positioned it an inch away from the engine block, and cranked the engine. Big fat spark. Reconnected the plug and turned on the fuel and started it. Ran like a charm.
 
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