New EPA proposed regs for aircraft

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I haven't seen anything about the proposed EPA/United Nations proposal regulating aircraft emissions...
As input is also coming from the nutballs at Friends of the Earth I expect proposals about small aircraft as well as jets.

Chris
 
Good thing I don't fly high enough to pull contrails.
 
sourdough44 said:
Don’t forget my push to bring back the traditional gas can. Some may not realize the travesty imparted upon the simple fuel can. I shouldn’t have to re-spout or ‘modify’ every can I use.

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You are buying the wrong cans.
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sourdough44 said:
Don’t forget my push to bring back the traditional gas can. Some may not realize the travesty imparted upon the simple fuel can. I shouldn’t have to re-spout or ‘modify’ every can I use.

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Law of unintended consequences—look at all that plastic waste from the tossed spouts. Wild animals getting stuck in 'em and so forth.
 
Tarheelpilot said:
We should start a movement to defund the EPA
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Last week I was thinking of defunding the local school district. We got our tax bill in may. First installment in June, second installment in September. Late July rolls a story comes out on how somehow 5.7m wasn't taxed like it should and the total amount due would be added to the second installment. Adds almost 1500 to my bill which is now 11,500 on a home worth 360k. The best part about it is the superintendent that should have caught this, retired in June. It's like buying groceries, putting them away, then getting a call from the store that they didn't charge you enough.
 
Racerx said:
Last week I was thinking of defunding the local school district. We got our tax bill in may. First installment in June, second installment in September. Late July rolls a story comes out on how somehow 5.7m wasn't taxed like it should and the total amount due would be added to the second installment. Adds almost 1500 to my bill which is now 11,500 on a home worth 360k. The best part about it is the superintendent that should have caught this, retired in June. It's like buying groceries, putting them away, then getting a call from the store that they didn't charge you enough.
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My ex-wife is a teacher. I can attest firsthand to the waste that goes on in schools. Money that should go (and is often voter-approved to go) to kids, teachers, and classrooms goes to expanding bureaucracy. Lots of highly-paid people doing nothing, while students take it in the shorts.
 
Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe said:
You are buying the wrong cans.
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Even better yet (they're all I use):

I have a 5 gal red for zero-ethanol gasoline, a 5 gal yellow for diesel, and a 3 gal red for oil-gas mix. Flows really quickly, built in vent, and easy to lift/control the pour speed. Also work well when the wife conveniently runs out of gas and you need to fill her truck up on the side of the highway (not that I've ever had to do that, lol)


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As states, cities, and counties face increasing budget shortfalls, those property taxes are going to go up even higher than that.
 
Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe
How do you pour with that funnel if the port is on a vertical car side, into an initially horizontal tube?

I need a flexible spout on a can that can be poured from in various angles. Your example is fine for my lawn mower, but would almost certainly over flow, as I must see the rising fuel level down the small port. My can spout is 1/2 inch, and hard to see past.


Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe
You are buying the wrong cans.
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pmanton said:
Adds almost 1500 to my bill which is now 11,500 on a home worth 360k.:eek:

Where on earth do you live? 11.5 K is absurd !
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Absurd, yes, but in NJ-which leads the nation in property taxes-we just passed $20K on a three bedroom house. We’re on a cul-de-sac that the town unilaterally ‘privatized’ years ago, so they stopped snow removal, leaf pickup, road repair, everything. The pavement finally got so bad the six homes on the street had to pay out of pocket to have it repaved last year.
 
geezer said:
How do you pour with that funnel if the port is on a vertical car side, into an initially horizontal tube?
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That is awkward, but doable - kinda twist it sideways. Mostly, what I use them for is the airplane where I can pour straight down. Plus the airport regulations require things be "bonded" - that's hard to do with a plastic can...
 
Omalley1537 said:
My ex-wife is a teacher. I can attest firsthand to the waste that goes on in schools. Money that should go (and is often voter-approved to go) to kids, teachers, and classrooms goes to expanding bureaucracy. Lots of highly-paid people doing nothing, while students take it in the shorts.
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Agreed!
pmanton said:
Adds almost 1500 to my bill which is now 11,500 on a home worth 360k.:eek:

Where on earth do you live? 11.5 K is absurd !
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Lake county Illinois. My township is 2.5 times the national average. Last I checked we were in the top 5 in the country. Some places in New Jersey have us beat, but not by much.
 
Racerx said:
Last week I was thinking of defunding the local school district. We got our tax bill in may. First installment in June, second installment in September. Late July rolls a story comes out on how somehow 5.7m wasn't taxed like it should and the total amount due would be added to the second installment. Adds almost 1500 to my bill which is now 11,500 on a home worth 360k. The best part about it is the superintendent that should have caught this, retired in June. It's like buying groceries, putting them away, then getting a call from the store that they didn't charge you enough.
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Holy crapola. I live in NH and pay about $6500 on a house worth $300K and I've been complaining about that and we don't have sales (other than rooms and meals) or income tax here.
 
NHWannabe said:
Holy crapola. I live in NH and pay about $6500 on a house worth $300K and I've been complaining about that and we don't have sales (other than rooms and meals) or income tax here.
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7-8.5% sales tax depending on where the sale is, state takes 6.25. State income tax is 4.95. School district gets right around 80% of property tax...hence the defund the district sentiment. Yeah.
 
pmanton said:
Adds almost 1500 to my bill which is now 11,500 on a home worth 360k.:eek:

Where on earth do you live? 11.5 K is absurd !
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Sounds like Texas. I had a $12,000 property tax bill on a $400K house in San Antonio.

But there was no income tax. And no car/traile/plane property tax like we have in Virginia.
 
Racerx said:
7-8.5% sales tax depending on where the sale is, state takes 6.25. State income tax is 4.95. School district gets right around 80% of property tax...hence the defund the district sentiment. Yeah.
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Same here ~ 80 of property taxes go to schools and the schools spend about 80% of the budget on salaries and benefits.
 
GaryM said:
Absurd, yes, but in NJ-which leads the nation in property taxes-we just passed $20K on a three bedroom house. We’re on a cul-de-sac that the town unilaterally ‘privatized’ years ago, so they stopped snow removal, leaf pickup, road repair, everything. The pavement finally got so bad the six homes on the street had to pay out of pocket to have it repaved last year.
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That’s the problem with socialism, eventually you run out of other people’s money!
 
GaryM said:
Absurd, yes, but in NJ-which leads the nation in property taxes-we just passed $20K on a three bedroom house. We’re on a cul-de-sac that the town unilaterally ‘privatized’ years ago, so they stopped snow removal, leaf pickup, road repair, everything. The pavement finally got so bad the six homes on the street had to pay out of pocket to have it repaved last year.
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One of the reasons we left Rochester, NY for Atlanta. There came a point where we looked at what we paid in taxes and - as importantly - what others were paid by the government to NOT try quite as hard as we did - and we voted with our feet. Screw NY. We're not necessarily party-line voters, but here in Georgia we try to vote against the big spenders - can't let the remaining good states go the way of the bad states.
 
There is a correlation between states with high taxes, larger economies that do not dépend on Federal government largess and people always saying taxes to high and leaving.
At the same time, typical destinations have much larger dependency on Federal spending.

Tim

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Our taxes on our paid-off home are higher than any rent or mortgage on our previous apartments or houses... we pay over $8000/yr in property taxes to live in our own home. We paid $135k for it in 2000. Might be worth $200k or a bit more now. Also fortunate enough to have an 8% sales tax, a state income tax, vehicle registration and inspection fees, etc. Yay, NY!

tspear said:
There is a correlation between states with high taxes, larger economies that do not dépend on Federal government largess and people always saying taxes to high and leaving.
At the same time, typical destinations have much larger dependency on Federal spending.
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Those high tax/large economy states funding the Federal government so that their "wealth" can be redistributed to the "less fortunate" states is good and as it should be, right? Share the wealth, tax the evil rich, income equality, etc....right? ;)
 
I pad $1,500 (about) on my home evaluated at $512,000 in Colorado (reflects a senior discount)
 
MuseChaser said:
Those high tax/large economy states funding the Federal government so that their "wealth" can be redistributed to the "less fortunate" states is good and as it should be, right? Share the wealth, tax the evil rich, income equality, etc....right? ;)
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lmao, well played. And that actually is the argument a lot of the politicians make.
When I lived in TN; I knew local people that were very upset over the potential for the Federal Gov to "touch" their Medicaid and SNAP. Not realizing these programs are from the Fed.... Oh well. This topic can spin very quickly into a TOS issue.
So, lets meet somewhere over a good bottle of Scotch and discuss, so we do not get banned :).

Tim
 
tspear said:
There is a correlation between states with high taxes, larger economies that do not dépend on Federal government largess and people always saying taxes to high and leaving.
At the same time, typical destinations have much larger dependency on Federal spending.
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Really? Then explain why Illinois and in particular Chicago and other high-tax states and cities are bankrupt, and want the Feds (that is everyone else's tax dollars) to bail out their public employee pension systems to the tune of a TRILLION or more?
 
Domenick said:
Really? Then explain why Illinois and in particular Chicago and other high-tax states and cities are bankrupt, and want the Feds (that is everyone else's tax dollars) to bail out their public employee pension systems to the tune of a TRILLION or more?
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This will go off the rails very fast.
I suggest instead, research how much money IL, NY, CA, MA, TX, FL.... contribute to the federal government and how much they get in return. You will see a pattern.
As for retirement; this issue has been percolating since the US economy switched from export driven to consumer based. Roughly in the mid 70s and early 80s. Since then politicians, and society in general has kicked the can down the road, with no one wanting to face reality. When this reality is faced; it will be rather ugly.

Tim
 
pmanton said:
Adds almost 1500 to my bill which is now 11,500 on a home worth 360k.:eek:

Where on earth do you live? 11.5 K is absurd !
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I live in a "cheap" area, on that appraised value one would pay about $8K/yr.
 
Hiperbiper said:
I haven't seen anything about the proposed EPA/United Nations proposal regulating aircraft emissions...
As input is also coming from the nutballs at Friends of the Earth I expect proposals about small aircraft as well as jets.

Chris
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No big deal; my day job involves jet engine certification, and when this was first proposed, we did a round of emissions tests of most of the current engines, and published the results for the FAA. It's been known for a while that something would happen. The new engines are reasonably efficient, but anything that is running tens of thousands of pounds of thrust at cruise is gonna burn some kerosene, and thus put out CO2 by the ton (literally) and plenty of particulates.
 
 
tspear said:
This will go off the rails very fast.
I suggest instead, research how much money IL, NY, CA, MA, TX, FL.... contribute to the federal government and how much they get in return. You will see a pattern.
As for retirement; this issue has been percolating since the US economy switched from export driven to consumer based. Roughly in the mid 70s and early 80s. Since then politicians, and society in general has kicked the can down the road, with no one wanting to face reality. When this reality is faced; it will be rather ugly.

Tim
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The challenge with such an analysis is defining "contribute to the Federal government" and defining "how much they get in return."

Hopefully I can say this (without getting into trouble): I've seen studies with wildly differing conclusions probably because of wildly different definitions of those terms.
 
Omalley1537 said:
My ex-wife is a teacher. I can attest firsthand to the waste that goes on in schools. Money that should go (and is often voter-approved to go) to kids, teachers, and classrooms goes to expanding bureaucracy. Lots of highly-paid people doing nothing, while students take it in the shorts.
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Not just K-12. At my university, we keep getting new VPs all the time. The Pres' cabinet: VP of Diversity & Inclusion, VP of Strategy & External Affairs, VP of Advancement (and is also pres of the Foundation, which I have no clue what it does), and the ones we really need - IT, HR, and Finance. This doesn't include the lower level VPs...We have an office for Academic Effectiveness and another office for Curriculum. And a third office for Gender Institute for Teaching & Advocacy.

But we can't get 1 new full-time faculty position in Computer Science where too many of our majors are on the 5 year plan because we don't have enough faculty to run all the required courses, much less the electives that the students really want. This is the only school I know of that has Database and Networks as electives instead of required. Oh wait...I forgot ... all students are required to take Diversity and Multicultural courses.

end of rant.
 
wsuffa said:
Sounds like Texas. I had a $12,000 property tax bill on a $400K house in San Antonio.

But there was no income tax. And no car/traile/plane property tax like we have in Virginia.
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Just remember what all of these places have in common.
 
Bob Noel said:
The challenge with such an analysis is defining "contribute to the Federal government" and defining "how much they get in return."

Hopefully I can say this (without getting into trouble): I've seen studies with wildly differing conclusions probably because of wildly different definitions of those terms.
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Short version. Money collected minus money spent.
Longer version: Money sent to the US Treasury (usually in the form of a tax or fee) minus money that left the US Treasury, regardless of the reason (e.g. includes all "entitlements").
Does not get much more basic than that.

Tim
 
tspear said:
Short version. Money collected minus money spent.
Longer version: Money sent to the US Treasury (usually in the form of a tax or fee) minus money that left the US Treasury, regardless of the reason (e.g. includes all "entitlements").
Does not get much more basic than that.

Tim
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and then it gets complicated by the reality of where the money is spent and who benefits (infrastructure $$$$ spent in one State that benefits those in another State).
 
Bob Noel said:
and then it gets complicated by the reality of where the money is spent and who benefits (infrastructure $$$$ spent in one State that benefits those in another State).
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And then you can get into the whole symbiotic versus parasitic relationship between states. e.g. NH actually economically depends on MA due to proximity of Boston. There are thousands of people who live in NH and work in Boston. blah blah blah....
All that kind of stuff is really at the noise level when discussing Federal Budget. Income versus expenditures; keep it basic and simple. The super majority of the excuses such as the proverbial new Woodrow Wilson bridge between MD and VA as an example; are in the noise level of the Federal Budget and are not truly material or germane to the trend lines.

Tim
 
tspear said:
And then you can get into the whole symbiotic versus parasitic relationship between states. e.g. NH actually economically depends on MA due to proximity of Boston. There are thousands of people who live in NH and work in Boston. blah blah blah....
All that kind of stuff is really at the noise level when discussing Federal Budget. Income versus expenditures; keep it basic and simple. The super majority of the excuses such as the proverbial new Woodrow Wilson bridge between MD and VA as an example; are in the noise level of the Federal Budget and are not truly material or germane to the trend lines.

Tim
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we'll have to just agree to disagree. ...can't really get into it here (e.g., discuss) without getting a vacation
 
tspear said:
Short version. Money collected minus money spent.
Longer version: Money sent to the US Treasury (usually in the form of a tax or fee) minus money that left the US Treasury, regardless of the reason (e.g. includes all "entitlements").
Does not get much more basic than that.

Tim
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Except until a couple of years ago the rest of the country subsidized the SALT deductions for high earners in high tax states. The equation isn't as simple as you make it.
 
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