New Cessna Aircraft - SkyCourier

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  1. denverpilot

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    That’s what UPS feeders use. And Metroliners. And ATR-42/72. And lord only knows what else. Like I said, they don’t care as long as the contract is cheap.
     
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    Legacy fleet mentality, as "chief pilot" ages out seeing a lot of change there as reported by young pilots I know. So all second hand....

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    I read somewhere, they will be operated by contract carriers.
     
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    Yes. I think it's Mountain Air or something similar that has had a contract with FedEx for years. Caravans were used a lot but they're using planes up to the size of an ATR-72 now I believe.
     
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    That name was already used, on the 406.
     
  6. Eric Gleason

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    That was the Caravan II, produced mostly for foreign markets, and it wouldn't have been the first time someone reused a brand :)
     
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    ASA-> Always Stays in Atlanta

    And that's the cleanest one I know...
     
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    Correct. It won't be FedEx pilots flying it. The feeder operation is contracted out to various charter companies. FedEx own the aircraft, contracts out the flying.

    Our scope clause allows aircraft up to 60,000 lbs. MTOGW to be flown by contractors before having to be flown by FedEx pilots on the seniority list.
     
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    I know some worse ones! lol

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    Another ****ty Airline
     
  11. Ben

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    It looks pretty cool and looks like it fills some sort of niche. At least, Textron seems to think so. Basically a caravan on steroids right? I feel like there is some demand for that, given how popular the caravan is.
     
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    Well you're right. It's actually pretty hideous. But I would think looking ugly is a pre requisite for cargo aircraft. I'm sure it makes people think "must have been designed by engineers".
     
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    With a payload of three tons and a huge cargo door with the capability of loading three standard LD3 shipping containers, I can see why FedEx has ordered 50 of them with an option for 50 more. It definitely fills a niche.
     
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    I respectfully disagree... ;)
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    This plane looks like a big, dumb, graceful elephant (that’s a compliment in case that isn’t clear) right up until you get to the struts attaching to the landing gear mini-wing. I suppose that was to maximize interior dimensions for the containers to fit, but it’s not going to do that airplane any favors in the beauty pageant.
     
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    It'll be a hit.
     
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    Practically straight out of the press release, except that the aircraft will be leased from FedEx ,and operated by the contract company under their own operating certificate.
     
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    Nah, he said pretty. Not pretty ugly.

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    That’s the exception that proves the rule. Those things are ugly as sin.
     
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    Where's a 767?
     
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    I could be wrong bu I read somewhere that it wasn't pressurized...is that true?
     
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    Not really... More of a Skyvan/Otter replacement. King Airs just can't do cargo well, not in the weights and volumes that FedEx/UPS/DHL uses.
     
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    Boxes don't care how long it takes to get there.
     
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    No, but the people on the ground do. Especially the ones that do the firing...:(
     
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    I think so, as well.
    The last real small cargo/19pax model was the LET410 or the very last 1900's.
     
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    Spec sheet I read lists Service Ceiling: 25,000ft
     
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    Looks like it would make a fine jump plane.
     
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    Meh. Just look at the 777 and pretend it's smaller...

    Actually, I just posted the ones that I've flown.
     
  32. Stan Cooper

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    Yeah, I saw that; it's not surprising for a twin engine turboprop.
    The unpressurized Boeing B-17G had a service ceiling of 35,600 feet.
     
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    That stretched KA, 1900, did cargo fine. ;):D
     
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    Uh, NO! The ones from LAN look pretty cool.
     
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    Yeah, but I believe they are going back pretty soon. They were just a stop-gap, as I recall.
     
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    In my earlier reply to you, I said that it won’t be FedEx pilots flying it, since we contract out this feeder flying. Companies like Mountian Air Cargo, Empire and Wiggins, among others provide the pilots and FedEx leases them the airplanes. Traditionally (paradoxically), we really don’t hire from our feeder airlines. It’s rare to find a FedEx line pilot who flew for our feeder operation. Not without another stop at a regional airline first.

    Well, I didn’t pay too close attention to the company’s press release about the new Cessna 408F, but when I read it, something interesting stood out.

    It looks like FedEx is going to have some new pipeline system from our feeder corps to mainline flying.

    That’s definitely a shift in thinking for us.
     
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    Yea I was just kind of bs'ing.
     
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    I didn't realize that contractors were flying the Caravans. Is that true on all of the routes? A guy I used to fly with took a job flying Caravans from Albany to Newark (I think) and I could swear that he said he was working for FedEx. Usually the people who work for a subcontractor give the name of the company that signs their checks when asked who they work for.
     
  39. denverpilot

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    Everyone’s doing it. It’s all the rage.

    Nah. Folks in this biz just say they fly for whoever paid for the paint for the logo on the tail.
     
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    Well, whichever sounds more impressive.

    I know a guy that tells people he works on airplanes... he vacuums the cargo pits at heavy check.
     
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